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[HeisenbergFX4]

Uh...yeah, if he is suddenly guessing then he needs to stop tweeting. He isn't doing himself any favors here. "Go easy" he says. lol....too late, bro.

THIS. IS. GAF!!

Go easy he says and we are 7 pages deep in what turns out he says he doesn't even really understand it

 

[Represent.]

Ratchet, Demon's Souls, hell even HFW even at cross gen (since there were some major upgrades in environmental textures/shaders and geometry/lighting), and more than likely GoWR look pretty damned good at 60.

You forgot The Last of Us: Part 1. Those are all first party exclusive games made by top SONY studios (And they still all look considerably worse at 60fps than they do at 30) Not just any mediocre multiplat studio can do what Sony does. Look at Dead Space remake. Looks like a PS4 game and its next gen only. Other studios quite frankly... They lack the talent, which is what I also said here. Im way ahead of the game

Also, multiplat devs are held back due to the weak Series S.

 

[AtomicStarving]

The game is running at 4k/30 and they can't even make a 1080/60fps option? Get the F outta here.

This current-gen consoles are beasts. "Coop" excuses? lmao At this point, forced 30fps games are just a BIG fucking NO from me.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You forgot The Last of Us: Part 1. Those are all first party exclusive games made by top SONY studios (And they still all look considerably worse at 60fps than they do at 30) Not just any mediocre multiplat studio can do what Sony does. Look at Dead Space remake. Looks like a PS4 game and its next gen only. Other studios quite frankly... They lack the talent, which is what I also said here. Im way ahead of the game

Demon's Souls does not look considerably worse. You can't even tell the difference other than framerate.

The happy medium 40fps looks near discernable in the others. I would still take the 60 mode over 30 if it didn't have the 40 mode.

 

[Stuart360]

The game is running at 4k/30 and they can't even make a 1080/60fps option? Get the F outta here.

This current-gen consoles are beasts. "Coop" excuses? lmao

They probably couldnt get 60fps consistent in time for launch, probably because of the live co-op aspect.
I still think they will probably release a 60fps mode later in a patch.

 

[Topher]

THIS. IS. GAF!!

Go easy he says and we are 7 pages deep in what turns out he says he doesn't even really understand it

Dude is about experience The Plague Tale: Green Rat Twitter edition.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dude is about experience The Plague Tale: Green Rat Twitter edition.

 

[Salz01]

This whole debacle is depressing this morning. I don’t understand why they can’t put in various modes as other devs are doing it. It’s depressing that the current gen consoles aren’t as strong as people thought, and they are already two years old going into three. Depressing that series s is hamstringing both consoles. Both Sony and Xbox, have very few current gen games to showcase anyways. This whole gen seems like a shit show. Ill probably focus on pc here on out, but hate windows and all the fucking bugs pc gamers have to deal with.

 

[Strider Highwind]

From Rocksteady dev.

edit: Also he isn't speaking for the company or the game, so nevermind - hes just talking shit on twitter:

 

[DeepEnigma]

The game is running at 4k/30 and they can't even make a 1080/60fps option? Get the F outta here.

How low would the potato S have to go though?

 

[Umbasaborne]

At this point, my goal is to buy a prebuilt 4090 gaming pc next year. I think im done with consoles, except for nintendo systems. The new consoles are great, but i dont want to have to choose between a high resolution or good frame rate anymore, and i certainly dont want to put up with 30 fps anymore if there isnt an option. My budget is about 5 grand so hopefully i can find a good prebuilt next year with that card

 

[hemo memo]

Its why we need those mid gen refreshes as I agree pushing these new consoles with new gen only games will lead to 30 fps

-Demon Souls
-Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
-Returnal
-Final Fantasy 7 Remake: Intergrade

All next-gen only. All look insanely good. All run at 60fps.

You know what this type of dev would do with a mid-gen refresh? Not 60fps but more particles and a 30fps only.

 

[geary]

The Series S is a conveniant excuse for devs to shift blame.
We have seen already some devs use 30fps on XSS and 60fps on XSX/PS5. And even then Series S usually gets 60fps too more often than not.
Sony fans will love those comments but that dev is just shifting blame away from devs now they are having a bit of backlash with this game.

That remark of Series S wont go well for the relationship of Rocksteady with MS.

 

[Stuart360]

How low would the potato S have to go though?

Well they could just go 30fps on XSS like some other devs have done. I know some of you are loving those blame switching comments by that dev but it doesnt actually make sense what he's saying.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well they could just go 30fps on XSS like some other devs have done. I know some of you are loving those blame switching comments by that dev but it doesnt actually make sense what he's saying.

I already mentioned above with the co-op mode on consoles, it probably would not work out so well due to lower-level extraction layers.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

-Demon Souls
-Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
-Returnal
-Final Fantasy 7 Remake: Intergrade

All next-gen only. All look insanely good. All run at 60fps.

You know what this type of dev would do with a mid-gen refresh? Not 60fps but more particles and a 30fps only.

Good possibility but those games you mentioned what could be done with those having a PS5 Pro with double the current power?

If those games looked exactly like they do now but you can give me a 120 fps option I am all in

 

[Represent.]

-Demon Souls
-Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
-Returnal
-Final Fantasy 7 Remake: Intergrade

All next-gen only. All look insanely good. All run at 60fps.

You know what this type of dev would do with a mid-gen refresh? Not 60fps but more particles and a 30fps only.

All exclusive to 1 platform.

Multiplat devs don't have this luxury, they have to produce for the Series Shit.

That console needs to be abolished. It will suck the life out of this gen until its over. MS doesnt give a damn about quality or pushing the medium forward. That console should have never been made. Its too weak. No vision of the future. Devs have been complaining about it for years and get mocked when they do.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

And they're 60 FPS. Ratchet has no issue running north of 60 too btw, even with RT.

Insomniac are masters at optimisation, just a consistently fantastic developer. We are not worthy.

 

[zeroluck]

How about instead of spending $70 billions buying publishers, Microsoft cut the Series S loose and start actually making games.

 

[dotnotbot]

Inb4 it's not even close to native 4k and more like dynamic 1080p-1440p upscalled to 4k. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

 

[hemo memo]

All exclusive to 1 platform.

Multiplat devs don't have this luxury, they have to produce for the Series Shit.

That console needs to be abolished. It will suck the life out of this gen until its over. MS doesnt give a damn about quality or pushing the medium forward. That console should have never been made. Its too weak. No vision of the future. Devs have been complaining about it for years and get mocked when they do.

No reason not to support 60fps on PS5/SeriesX. Lock Series S at 30fps if you rather.

 

[Topher]

How low would the potato S have to go though?

You need to chill, dude. DarkMage619 is charging up as we speak...

 

[Klosshufvud]

edit: Also he isn't speaking for the company or the game, so nevermind - hes just talking shit on twitter:

This dude is utterly clueless and part of the problem as to why games suck nowadays.

 

[deriks]

Chances are that this game will be the same thing as Arkham Origins... "doesn't really suck"

 

[Evolved1]

I was actually considering buying this despite reservations, but then I read this thread title and had a belly laugh.

Yikes.

 

[kyliethicc]

Insomniac are masters at optimisation, just a consistently fantastic developer. We are not worthy.

they make great tech for sure

wish their games had more artistic balls tho. very safe creativity over there

 

[ArtHands]

I am not sure why the meltdown. Why not just accept 30 fps? If this is what the devs has intended for the consoles then so be it

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

And they're 60 FPS. Ratchet has no issue running north of 60 too btw, even with RT.

Ratchet is not Open World you know. Better compare It with Spiderman.

 

[PlayedStation]

Just wait until we get Rocksteady's Suicide Squad in 2023 with 4-player co-op, way better graphics and 60 fps. No idea what they're thinking over at WB Montreal.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This dude is utterly clueless and part of the problem as to why games suck nowadays.

Dude opened a pandoras box and wasn't ready for it

 

[sncvsrtoip]

I would be happy with 40fps mode with lfc.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Tried educating people on something he himself doesn't understand

Fucking lel. You owned yourself bro

 

[KormaChameleon]

Yikes. And wasn't this game cancelled on last gen consoles as well? What have they been doing with those extra resources they have gained?

 

[Turk1993]

So if someone with a RTX 2080 and a Ryzen 5 can play this at 1440/60, are they also gonna block that because someone with a RTX 3050 can't play it at 1440p60?

 

[MistBreeze]

Although 60 fps is must for me after being spoiled last 2 years

We can stomach 30 fps if the game was a graphical benchmark this gen

Which is clearly not

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Why not just accept 30 fps?

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

Feel sorry for the dude. He stated the obvious, that Series S is a fucking mistake (seriously folks, just stick with Series X), and he is getting attacked by a bunch of mentally stunted man-children.

 

[TVexperto]

Who cares! It is a scientific fact that the human eye cannot tell the difference. In fact i'd argue that 60 fps looks worse. 60 fps is too smooth, it's like petting a shark, the scales (frames) are too smooth so it cuts your hand (eyes), while 30 fps is nice and stable and gives you a better immersion because the frames travel a longer distance so the world looks bigger

 

[dotnotbot]

As long as they include plasma TV with every copy of the game I'm fine with it

 

[Shiny Pepe]

30fps is not acceptable.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Feel sorry for the dude. He stated the obvious, that Series S is a fucking mistake (seriously folks, just stick with Series X), and he is getting attacked by a bunch of mentally stunted man-children.

The S isn't even relevant here. Man's a clown who just wanted to talk shit about it

 

[Deerock71]

Big deal.



*Goes back to playing Nier Automata on Switch*

 

[adamsapple]

"Pay us what we're worth".

Yes, I fully intend to pay $0.00 for Gotham Knights.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

The S isn't even relevant here. Man's a clown who just wanted to talk shit about it

Nah, the clowns are people who defend the Series S. You will be happier with a Series X, trust me mate. Just upgrade to a non-shit system.

 

[PillsOff]

edit: Also he isn't speaking for the company or the game, so nevermind - hes just talking shit on twitter:

So. It works at 30fps on a 12tf cos it was made for 4tf?

IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

How the fuck was my comment console warring mods?

 

[sendit]

He is right though. 30fps only in 2022 is ridiculous.

I agree. However, its ridiculous to think these limited budget consoles have unlimited power. It's always been a give or take scenario (performance versus visuals) regardless on the generation of console.

 

[TonyK]

-Demon Souls
-Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
-Returnal
-Final Fantasy 7 Remake: Intergrade

All next-gen only. All look insanely good. All run at 60fps.

You know what this type of dev would do with a mid-gen refresh? Not 60fps but more particles and a 30fps only.

I know it's personal tastes, but all those games (except Returnal that I've not played yet) look more or less PS4 at 60fps to me. In fact, the only one of those games that looks barely next gen is Ratchet in quality mode.

Maybe it's because I played on PC during the PS4 generation, but all those games in 60fps mode look worse than a lot of Ps4 era games I played on PC. I expect a lot more from this generation, and in the actual consoles that can only be achieved at 30fps.

 

[adamsapple]

I would be happy with 40fps mode with lfc.

I give it a couple of months post-release, they'll add a 60 FPS mode like Watch Dogs: Legion.

I don't think this games engine/pipeline is based solely on RT like Metro Exodus EE, and on PC you will have equivalent options to turn RT off.

So, to get 60 FPS on consoles, take out RT, make the resolution scale dynamically and reduce settings.

No one is asking the developers to compromise on their vision, folks will be happy with an option to toggle between the two modes at will.

 

[skit_data]

Disappointing.

Why not just make a 60 fps mode at a lower res? Surely should be possible considering it runs at such a high resolution. I’ll easily have 1080p/Dynamic 1440p with higher fps rather than full fat 4k at 30fps.