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[ProtoByte]

Sony spends close to a decade devaluing Xbox with paid exclusives and then cries when Microsoft makes moves to be more competitive. Can’t make this stuff up.

The saddest thing is he’s only concerned about taking a hit on the MTX money they bring in through COD.

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You seem to forget that Microsoft has been doing paid exclusives too. In fact, they damn near invented money hatting. Most of their exclusive library during the Xbox and 360 gens were rife with them. Their lack of ability to foster their own stuff is why they need to go out and buy publishers worth billions or tens of billions of dollars to not have 2 years of near-zero exclusive games.

We forgetting Rise of The Tomb Raider? What about the years of exclusive CoD map packs?

Call of duty will still be on playstation.
Meanwhile final fantasy remake has yet to cone to xbox.

Final Fantasy doesn't sell on Xbox. Final Fantasy became the IP it is today because of PlayStation. It's also an order of magnitude smaller as an IP compared to CoD. Which sells more on PlayStation, by the way.

 

[Punished Miku]

Sony beating ms at its own game?

No. They said it was impossible and would cost 500 billion. Then then suddenly did it and consumers benefit who aren't on Xbox.

It shows that Sony is in an extremely dominant position and is the one limiting competition. Its obvious. Consumers benefit when there is more of a rivalry.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

They guy who was there since it's early days is telling you, but you want another source.

I'm sure another exec will be happy to be in an interview spending their time giving the story of Jim Ryan.

Not another source, but you’d figure if this man’s accomplishments were so prolific either one of you claiming his achievements would have more to say on the matter than posting a video of Jim Ryan talking about Jim Ryan.

 

[sainraja]

What's wrong with trying to get major publishers to put their games on game pass? It's not like people who want to buy them wouldn't be able to.

The wrong is the 'how' they have chosen to do that — buying big publishers to lock them down to their ecosystem. Simply putting games on Game Pass is not the issue and you know it.

Jimbo, Jimbo, Jimbo. PR 101: If you're going to call out your competitor for dominating an industry, make sure the industry you're suggesting they're dominating isn't an industry you yourself have been dominating for twenty years.

Here, here....the 'how' matters here again. How Sony has been doing that, Microsoft can also do and HAVE done. Sony recovered from their misstep (e.g. the PS3) and MS could have also recovered from their misstep (e.g. the Xbox One) without buying up large publishers. We both know what Sony did and what Microsoft is now doing.

Yes, it's simply business and I understand why MS is making these moves, why Sony is making these statements. Let's not act like it's poor Microsoft and big bad Sony → some of you really are going: "how dare Sony! Let Microsoft have it!!" lol

 

[anothertech]

ppl calling this the same thing Sony does is laughable.

I'll give you several BILLION reasons ...

 

[Venom Snake]

Well, that's how corporations are. They don't want to compete in the market, they want to be the market.
The demographic crisis has distorted the market's view of the consumer's needs. The consumer himself has also changed, he values availability more than quality, after all, corporations have accustomed him to this approach for several decades. In this context, we cannot talk only about Microsoft, because others did it too.
It only starts to hurt them when they hit the ceiling, while others move forward.

This perpetual cycle of knocking chairs from under each other's asses will continue as long as we have a relative balance of power.
When this comes to an end, we all lose, fanboys and haters alike.

 

[jm89]

Not another source, but you’d figure if this man’s accomplishments were so prolific either one of you claiming his achievements would have more to say on the matter than posting a video of Jim Ryan talking about Jim Ryan.

I don't need to say shit. His contribution to ps EU doesn't go away just because of your silly requirements.

 

[The_Mike]

I cant believe theres so many gamers in here in support of Microsoft buying fucking Activision.

LMAO.

What good will possibly come from this for the industry? Please tell me.

Big bangers day one on gamepass.

I guess that's the only outcome, and the rest will be like it is now.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

I don't need to say shit. His contribution to ps EU doesn't go away just because of your silly requirements.

You don’t need to be combative. I’m asking. If you don’t want to weigh in you don’t have to.

 

[Skifi28]

Sony trying to milk their userbase for every last cent while MS trying to buy the entire industry and create a monopoly as usual. It's hard to cheer for either side to be honest.

 

[oldergamer]

Wow just wow.

 

[jm89]

You don’t need to be combative. I’m asking. If you don’t want to weigh in you don’t have to.

I've already weighed in though. Whether you understood it is on you.

 

[Represent.]

Say what you want about Don Mattrick. But the guy had good taste, much better than Phil SpendSir

Heres a few games HE money hatted in the 360 era. And people pretend this is a Sony thing.

Ninja Gaiden 2
Bioshock
Limbo
Braid
ME2 (and 1 kinda)
Oblivion
Lost Planet
Overlord
and tons of timed-exclusives that ported to PC like Alan Wake, The Last Remnant, and too many XBLAs.

Sony followed suit.

 

[Bulletbrain]

Games like FF7: R are the exception, but typically don’t happen to my knowledge. Most games I’ve seen that are timed exclusive on PlayStation eventually do come to other consoles. Honestly, at this point with FF7, SE might of felt that they wouldn’t really get that many more sales on the XBOX to justify the porting and development costs. Same probably applies to Kena.

With an acquisition, they own all those games from that company, therefore they’ll probably never come to another console period. I think a huge contributing factor is the fact the PlayStation games typically sell a lot more compared to Xbox games so that’s probably another reason Sony can get these exclusive deals so easily.

Can you honestly claim that timed-exclusives are in-line with giving gamers choice? It's the absolute opposite. It's artificially locking a game from a competing platform for a extended period of time. Only reason they don't make it full exclusive is because they don't have the finances to do so, or because the cost/benefit doesn't make business sense. Thus, Sony's comments on being "pro-choice" really doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

[bender]

Jim is doing what he should be doing. It would be gross negligence otherwise.

 

[Kacho]

Microsoft should have made their own games since long ago. Microsoft also pays for exclusive deals you know?

Don’t shed too many tears for poor ol Jimbo. His MTX royalties may take a significant hit but PlayStation will be just fine. He still has Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy XI, Silent Hill 2, Spider-Man DLC for Avengers, and Callisto Protocol DLC on lock. Who knows what else he has in store!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony strong-armed Sega right out of the industry, and tried to do it to Nintendo. I don't want to hear Jimbo's whining.

Sega screwed themselves out of the industry with their east and west divisions keeping secrets while working against each other.

 

[ReBurn]

The wrong is the 'how' they have chosen to do that — buying big publishers to lock them down to their ecosystem. Simply putting games on Game Pass is not the issue and you know it.

That's a moral argument, though, not a legal one. And not everyone agrees. There are still going to be multiple big publishers after this deal, including Sony. Will this acquisition make it more difficult for developers to get their games published than it is today?

 

[bentanchorbolt]

I've already weighed in though. Whether you understood it is on you.

You mentioned a video. If that’s your contribution than it is what it is.

 

[jm89]

You mentioned a video. If that’s your contribution than it is what it is.

It isn't though.

 

[0neAnd0nly]

Everything from 1994 till now.

Has Microsoft ever made a 3rd party deal of any sort? Or just Sony?

Microsoft buying all major 3rd party publishers is an issue, period. Regardless of feelings towards Ryan and co. If you can’t see this…

Remember which company invented MTX, paid online gaming, subscription models for computer programs, etc. and that isn't Sony.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

 

[quest]

Games like FF7: R are the exception, but typically don’t happen to my knowledge. Most games I’ve seen that are timed exclusive on PlayStation eventually do come to other consoles. Honestly, at this point with FF7, SE might of felt that they wouldn’t really get that many more sales on the XBOX to justify the porting and development costs.

With an acquisition, they own all those games from that company, therefore they’ll probably never come to another console period. I think a huge contributing factor is the fact the PlayStation games typically sell a lot more compared to Xbox games so that’s probably another reason Sony can get these exclusive deals so easily.

Whats the difference between money hatting all the games from a publisher and buying them? I don't see a difference except one is cheap for dominant market leader. The other is a better value for the last place competitor. I have zero issues if the deal was stopped on the concession no more timed exclusive deals from major studios from sony. I would hope you sell more games having near 70% market share.

Say what you want about Don Mattrick. But the guy had good taste, much better than Phil SpendSir

Heres a few games HE money hatted in the 360 era. And people pretend this is a Sony thing.

Ninja Gaiden 2
Bioshock
Limbo
Braid
ME2 (and 1 kinda)
Oblivion
Lost Planet
Overlord
and tons of timed-exclusives that ported to PC like Alan Wake, The Last Remnant, and too many XBLAs.

Sony followed suit.

It was the great peter moore for starters but to go back 2 generations for an argument lol. Might as well go back to sony locking up the original tomb raider 4 generations ago lol. Let's not forget sony had a absolute lock on major 3rd party titles until Peter Moore did his magic to break that hold on 3rd party games.

 

[Puscifer]

Sony spends close to a decade devaluing Xbox with paid exclusives and then cries when Microsoft makes moves to be more competitive. Can’t make this stuff up.

The saddest thing is he’s only concerned about taking a hit on the MTX money they bring in through COD.

This is stupid as hell. How did Sony devalue Microsoft last generation? By offering their own exclusives from from their own studios? By having the same exclusive marketing deals Microsoft had on the 360? Except it's nicer because those 30 day exclusive map packs for call of duty WAS sometime that was turning the tide, the worst thing Sony did last gen was have a marketing deal they weren't withholding content. There's third party content exclusive to the Xbox marketplace that never made it to PS3.

The only people responsible for the content drought of Xbox customers is Microsoft themselves. They cancelled every exclusives game early on and closed studios or converted them Gears or Forza factories.

 

[GeeseGoose]

Sony's first party choice is far less diverse compared to a few generations ago (and, in my personal opinion, are not interesting to play)
Sony deprived users from choosing to have game services on their platform e.g. EA
Sony deprived users by paying for exclusivity, timed or otherwise.

It's clearly a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I used to love Sony's software and hardware output, but please Sony, let's please not try to make out that you give even the slightest crap about gamers, or their choices except if that choice leads to money in your pocket.

I would much rather the "ha ha fuck you, pay me" approach Nintendo takes than this fake "for the consumer" pantomime that Sony, Microsoft, etc are putting on.

 

[Neolombax]

He's just doing what any business person would do, inhibit growth from the competition. That much is understood. Would be very stupid of him not to really. I just hope Sony is developing something in the background as an alternative to CoD or whatever in the Activision Blizzard catalogue. Make Killzone mainstream, or revive Resistance. I think we have enough first party narrative driven games.

 

[Represent.]

Whats the difference between money hatting all the games from a publisher and buying them? I don't see a difference except one is cheap for dominant market leader. The other is a better value for the last place competitor. I have zero issues if the deal was stopped on the concession no more timed exclusive deals from major studios from sony. I would hope you sell more games having near 70% market share.

It was the great peter moore for starters but to go back 2 generations for an argument lol. Might as well go back to sony locking up the original tomb raider 4 generations ago lol. Let's not forget sony had a absolute lock on major 3rd party titles until Peter Moore did his magic to break that hold on 3rd party games.

Nah the 360 era is recent enough to where its still relevant. Yall are acting like MS is some little innocent company that cant afford to make exclusive offers on games and content.
They have been doing it forever. Them buying the biggest publisher on earth and gamers seeing it as something to celebrating is something i just dont get.

 

[plip.plop]

Sony strong-armed Sega right out of the industry, and tried to do it to Nintendo. I don't want to hear Jimbo's whining.

 

[Skifi28]

Has Microsoft ever made a 3rd party deal of any sort? Or just Sony?

Microsoft buying all major 3rd party publishers is an issue, period. Regardless of feelings towards Ryan and co. If you can’t see this…

Remember which company invented MTX, paid online gaming, subscription models for computer programs, etc. and that isn't Sony.

Indeed. Microsoft in monopoly mode is quite scary regardless of what Sony does, people shouldn't try to downplay it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Because they never happened. Honk honk.

 

[FBeeEye]

I'm sure gamers on all platforms will love to play Final Fantasy and Spiderman games.

 

[plip.plop]

He might be bitching but he's right.

Taking games that have been multiplat for years and years and locking it on your console is less choice.
It's embarrassing when Phil and co say they're doing it to give gamers more choice, even worse when the fan boys parrot this crap and think buying a few exclusive deals is anyway on the level of buying ALL 3rd party publisher's.

Like Spiderman?

 

[Clintizzle]

I feel like all this would be resolved if Jim Ryan just said please. Honestly, the answer is right there.

"Hey Phil Spencer, can you [please] cancel the Activision-Blizzard deal. I just dont think its fair. xo" <-- thats it. Thats all that is required...

 

[DeepEnigma]

Like Spiderman?

Marvel approached Sony and apparently MS passed on it. Strike 2.

 

[Represent.]

Like Spiderman?

Like I said. Microsoft has fucking abysmal taste. Blame them. Not Sony.

They could have had SpiderMan exclusive to Xbox, they chose The motherfucking Medium.

https://kotaku.com/spider-man-microsoft-xbox-sony-playstation-arkham-asylu-1848963273

They could have had Silent Hill 2. They chose The Medium.

Blame Phil Spendser and his abysmal taste.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Like I said. Microsoft has fucking abysmal taste. Blame them. Not Sony.

They could have had SpiderMan exclusive to Xbox, they chose The motherfucking Medium.

https://kotaku.com/spider-man-microsoft-xbox-sony-playstation-arkham-asylu-1848963273

They could have had Silent Hill 2. They chose The Medium.

Blame Phil Spendser and his abysmal taste.

I don’t even think they had a studio at the time that could’ve pulled it off like Insomniac.

 

[bender]

I don’t even think they had a studio at the time that could’ve pulled it off like Insomniac.

They could have used Insomniac.

 

[Represent.]

I don’t even think they had a studio at the time that could’ve pulled it off like Insomniac.

Again I blame that on poor studio management - Rare? Ninja Theory? They could have easily partnered up with a studio and publish the game. Like they did Titanfall (another game they money hatted on 360)

 

[quest]

Nah the 360 era is recent enough to where its still relevant. Yall are acting like MS is some little innocent company that cant afford to make exclusive offers on games and content.
They have been doing it forever. Them buying the biggest publisher on earth and gamers seeing it as something to celebrating is something i just dont get.

Except one makes money yearly but good luck making money paying 100 million per timed exclusive. I guarantee if Sony had to pay 100 million per major timed exclusive they stop. Yet again PlayStation gamers will lose no games for years and years with this deal. Unlike these sony deals that take games away now from other gamers

Rise of the Tomb Raider's Timed Xbox Exclusivity Cost $100 Million

Rise of the Tomb Raider cost Xbox $100 million.

screenrant.com

 

[DeepEnigma]

Except one makes money yearly but good luck making money paying 100 million per timed exclusive. I guarantee if Sony had to pay 100 million per major timed exclusive they stop. Yet again PlayStation gamers will lose no games for years and years with this deal. Unlike these sony deals that take games away now from other gamers

Rise of the Tomb Raider's Timed Xbox Exclusivity Cost $100 Million

Rise of the Tomb Raider cost Xbox $100 million.

screenrant.com

You’re pissing in the wind.

 

[abacab driver]

Cryin Ryan got everybody sigh'in.

 

[plip.plop]

Like I said. Microsoft has fucking abysmal taste. Blame them. Not Sony.

They could have had SpiderMan exclusive to Xbox, they chose The motherfucking Medium.

https://kotaku.com/spider-man-microsoft-xbox-sony-playstation-arkham-asylu-1848963273

They could have had Silent Hill 2. They chose The Medium.

Blame Phil Spendser and his abysmal taste.

So Sony gamers should rejoice by backing MS and Phil for taking COD off their system of choice. I mean the game is universally hated on this site. Now Sony can redirect the money they were using for exclusivity with Activision and put it into another project or create a studio to kill COD right?

 

[Elder Legend]

Hey Jimmy - you mad ? You mad.

 

[Elder Legend]

Choices, Jim?

You mean like choosing to buy third party games like FF7 Remake, Silent Hill, and Forspoken on the platform I want to play them on?

Or how about choosing to buy AAA games for $60?

Or choosing to buy a last-gen game with the knowledge that it will upgrade for free when I buy the new console?

Or maybe choosing to buy a third party game on the platform I prefer without having to worry about losing out on characters, DLC, or other benefits?

How about the choice of being able to play cross-platform with my friends on different systems when playing online?

Or being able to choose to play a large library of backwards compatible games going back 20+ years across several generations?


No major gaming company over the last 5 years has eliminated consumer choice more than Sony, Jimbo.

While I want to agree with that statement - I'd say that Nintendo takes the cake when it comes to being fully anti consumer compared to the other 2.

 

[Jimmyisback]

When can Xbox gamers have the choice to play spiderman and final fantasy 7 remake on xbox.

 

[plip.plop]

I don’t even think they had a studio at the time that could’ve pulled it off like Insomniac.

Sony acquired Insomniac after Spiderman. I will concede that Insomniac had a tight relationship with Sony for a long time so it was a natural fit.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So Sony gamers should rejoice by backing MS and Phil for taking COD off their system of choice. I mean the game is universally hated on this site. Now Sony can redirect the money they were using for exclusivity with Activision and put it into another project or create a studio to kill COD right?

I don't really know why people keep saying Phil is taking COD away from PS when he has said the exact opposite and it would be treated like Minecraft

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

Sony trying to milk their userbase for every last cent while MS trying to buy the entire industry and create a monopoly as usual. It's hard to cheer for either side to be honest.

Cheer for Nintendomination

 

[3liteDragon]

When can Xbox gamers have the choice to play spiderman and final fantasy 7 remake on xbox.

Take it up with Marvel & Square Enix, the former approached MS before Sony but Phil passed on them, so they did Spider-Man with Sony & Insomniac, thank god.

 

[bender]

Sony acquired Insomniac after Spiderman. I will concede that Insomniac had a tight relationship with Sony for a long time so it was a natural fit.

That relationship was a bit strained which is why Fuse and Song of the Deep were a multiplatform effort and Sunset Overdrive was an Xbox exclusive.