I actually can see 699 even more now with that Xbox reveal especially if they want better tech. 599 is the baseline without a disc drive with 699 as the peak without a disc drive kind of hoping for the later to get a premium machine
Definitely without. I could even see as high as 699 without the disc drive
You will be disappointed then
I'll buy it regardless, but it won't be £700
Expect 599-699 without a disc drive
no a disc drive will still be available you will just have to buy it (unless you own one already) and I’m hoping for 699 would mean it’s premium specsno deal! I'm ride or die with physical media
the actual cost of the thing I don't care so much about. 699 would be fine with me for a PS5 Pro.. OTOH if they did get rid of the disc drive I'd save some money by just sticking with my old school fat PS5. whatever
That seems pretty high… 599 is my guess.
What Xbox reveal?
Yeah… without a disc drive
I assume if it’s 699 it’s gonna be a real monster expect 4080 raster performance if it’s 699
It's AMD though, and an APU.
Dude, that just isn’t happening, at all.
I said raster performance not rt performance
The 699 price?
I find it kinda weird how you and a few others want a super expensive mid gen refresh.
Waste of time, what are you smoking? For people that owned 4K TVs, it was a game changer. Having upscaled 4K instead of 1080p was a huge visual upgrade. That alone was completely worth the upgrade. It wasn't marketed for 1080p TV owners.
4070? LMAO!!!!
Strix Halo is rumoured to reach 4070 max Q performance so I don't know what's so funny about that.
Yeah I am pretty sure will get 7800XT performance or close which is very similar to 4070
Oh, that might be but The power level for that price though seems highly unlikely
Of course, it’s unlikely, it doesn’t exist. The 7900 XTX is a 96 CUs behemoth and on the level of a 4080. Doesn’t matter if Sony makes this console $10,000, AMD can’t just push technology 4 years forward in time because Sony asks them to.
I’m shocked the thoughts are turning in this forum. I really don’t know why this isn’t the price your expectingNot happening.
I can see 549 without a disc at a massive stretch but even that’s unlikely
Pricing will be interesting for a console thats totally an optional upgrade.
I would be looking for 4070 levels of real world performance
At a TDP of ~170W? Don’t think so.
I honestly want a 699 price to really go in on premium specs and build quality
I think people are going to be a little let down when they see the actual hardware being used and the "numbers"
If it’s only 499 then it will be hard to be let down on specs it would only be a let down if the specs aren’t good but it’s 599+
Most of us have realistic expectations and know that this is meant to be a stop gap to refresh the PS5. 80-100% performance improvement in rasterization is what I'm expecting. Will allow it to hit 60fps in a lot of games where the PS5 hovers around 35-40 when not CPU-limited. It should also give us higher base resolution to use with FSR2. We shouldn't see any of that 720p upscaled to 1440p abomination.
I think these expectations are very reasonable on the gpu side assuming the console is 500-600 but I think your not considering the cpu
I think you are underestimating what a zen 2 +4Ghz CPU will do. As others have said this is a stop gap console and really doesn't need Zen 4 unless it favours Sony to do so for cost reasons
Yep, this is a safe bet. It's really not that much of a mystery. We can look at what AMD already has to see what is possible in the console space. The closet thing we have to what the ceiling will be for a PS5 PRO (in raster at least) is the RX 7900M GPU. This is a cut down version of the Navi 31 7900 GRE card with 72 CUs and a TDP of 160W-180W (~200W with SmartShift). This lines up perfectly with what will be possible in a console and precedent already shows that Sony has been targeting the high end AMD mobile GPU of the day since the launch of the PS4 base (PS4 was virtually identical to a 7970M). The TFLOP rating on the 7900M is 38.5 as configured and the benchmarks puts it pretty much on par with a 7800XT (37.2 TFLOPS), as expected for PS5 Pro.
Yeah this same nonsense was said before it can hit 100fps in last gen games not next gen ones and that’s without rt which has a significant cpu cost
This should be above a 3080 and probably even 3090 in rasterYep, this is a safe bet. It's really not that much of a mystery. We can look at what AMD already has to see what is possible in the console space. The closet thing we have to what the ceiling will be for a PS5 PRO (in raster at least) is the RX 7900M GPU. This is a cut down version of the Navi 31 7900 GRE card with 72 CUs and a TDP of 160W-180W (~200W with SmartShift). This lines up perfectly with what will be possible in a console and precedent already shows that Sony has been targeting the high end AMD mobile GPU of the day since the launch of the PS4 base (PS4 was virtually identical to a 7970M). The TFLOP rating on the 7900M is 38.5 as configured and the benchmarks puts it pretty much on par with a 7800XT (37.2 TFLOPS), as expected for PS5 Pro.
7900M Details and Benchmarks: https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-7900M-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.760883.0.html
Now the PS5 Pro is expected to only have 60CUs we know but will be clocked ~2.5Ghz or higher. The 7900M only has a boost clock up to 2.09Ghz. So in the typical Mark Cerny fashion of smaller but faster, a 60CU RDNA3 based card clocked at at least 2.5Ghz will have a theoretical performance that is a match for the 7900M (60CU 7800XT clocked at 2.4Ghz boost is 37TFLOPS). This is already a known entity for AMD and is suspiciously close to the rumored specs so I'd image that Sony would have used that as a baseline for what was feasible in the PS5 Pro. From there, the questions are around clock speeds, cooling, and customizations for the console application.
So to summarize, the performance of this card is very close to a 7800XT/3080/4070. For raster, I would expect this to be the ceiling of a PS5 Pro from a GPU perspective. With the efficiency improvements and console closed box optimizations, real world we could see perf reach up to 7900GRE/3090 similar to how PS5 console optimized games run closer to a 3060TI or even a 3070 in the best cases. But if the rumors are true, then it's the RT perf that will see the biggest leap. With some RDNA 4 goodness including a BVH traversal HW unit and other Sony specific optimizations, the RT perf could be at least on par with a 7900XT (if not higher). That would be pretty compelling in a console.
Top that off with the dream of some form of native ML based SR/Frame Gen and we have a box that can bring most PS5 games up to a 4K/60fps target with clean IQ and more stable perf than the what the base PS5 does today. 4K/120 and 8K/60 (via reconstruction) wouldn't be impossible in some titles either. We'll just have to see...I'll keep my ears open at GDC next week
