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Tomb Raider Review Thread!

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NullPointer

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The reviews are making the same complaints that detractors here on GAF have. Complaints that still seem to be completely misunderstood by some here.

This game is also described as cribbing everything it can from the other big games, mostly Uncharted, and focusing on combat and collectibles. Sounds familiar.

The only ones that need to eat crow are those that predicted crap review scores across the board.
 
Vire

Vire

Member
Antagon said:
None of the reviews I've read take away any of my fear that this is a game with a 'check the box' design without any real vision behind it. So I can easily see where Derrick is coming from,

Review scores might be good, but it's hard to put much value in those after games like Heavy Rain and Final Fantasy XIII.
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For all its faults, Heavy Rain is most certainly not a "check the box" type of game.

Its story's writing quality is another matter entirely.
 
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Ravensmash

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Derrick01 said:
Speaking of Hitman I find it funny how everyone is throwing the "you need to play it before saying its bad" line yet again when I was 100% right about that game. It's proof that if you pay attention to what's going on you can accurately make a judgement. We don't live in the era where games only get into a magazine every couple months and that's all we see or hear about it until release.
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From general impressions of posters and reviews, it's a perfectly competent game in it's own right (despite a few issues). A poor follow up to Blood Money, but that's a separate issue, and one that people should really be able to differentiate.

It certainly doesn't sound like a pile of trash or a pile of poop like you seem to imply when talking about any game you vehemently dislike (often before playing).
 
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Sephzilla

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antitrop said:
Except that DmC is better than half of the games in its franchise. And Tomb Raider 2013 might be the very best game in its franchise.
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DmC is better than DMC2. But saying it's better than 1, 3, or 4 is laughable. Heck, at least DMC2 at least tried to bring new stuff to the table even if it sucked.

I'm not as big of a Tomb Raider fan as I am a DMC fan so it's hard for me to compare Tomb Raider 2013 to the rest of the franchise. But honestly if the game is just an amalgamation of things I've already played way too much this generation, I'll probably pass.
 
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Derrick01

Banned
NullPointer said:
The reviews are making the same complaints that detractors here on GAF have. Complaints that still seem to be completely misunderstood by some here.

This game is also described as cribbing everything it can from the other big games, mostly Uncharted, and focusing on combat and collectibles. Sounds familiar.

The only ones that need to eat crow are those that predicted crap review scores across the board.
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Apparently that's not good enough though. Recognizing these problems in all of the media released beforehand wasn't good enough, then reviewers who supposedly played the full game who echoed those same complaints (despite giving high scores still, par for the course in this industry) wasn't good enough either. Nope looking like shit and smelling like shit isn't good enough, you have to taste it before you can make the judgement that it is in fact shit.
 
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Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
Sephzilla said:
DmC is better than DMC2. But saying it's better than 1, 3, or 4 is laughable. Heck, at least DMC2 at least tried to bring new stuff to the table even if it sucked.
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I could see arguments for 4 given people REALLY didn't like the Dante implementation, but DmC does have its own wealth of unique issues. A DMC game with not a single worthwhile boss is heartbreaking.
 
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Antagon

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Vire said:
For all it's faults, Heavy Rain is most certainly not a "check the box" type of game.

Its story's writing quality is another matter entirely.
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I agree that that game wasn't a check the box type game, but like you said the writing is atrocious yet reviews were generally praising it.

Same here, the story is often praised even with the complete disconnect between gameplay and story. It's time that reviewers up their standards on these types of things.
 
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CambriaRising

Member
Sephzilla said:
DMC2 at least introduced a lot of the stuff that later became the style system. DmC pretty much just strips away stuff from 3 and 4 and implements very little that's actually new.
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Yeah, that whole Demon/Angel switching system is totally antiquated.

Antagon said:
I agree that that game wasn't a check the box type game, but like you said the writing is atrocious yet reviews were generally praising it.

Same here, the story is often praised even with the complete disconnect between gameplay and story. It's time that reviewers up their standards on these types of things.
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The game has a unique ability to make you forget about things not being answered on the first play through.
 
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Andrew.

Banned
She's waitin for you Goddy...

We can be lonely together dude.

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While I'm really tempted to purchase with some coups, I'm equally tempted just to Redbox. I mean, looking over the cheevs and trophs there weren't any for completing it on a certain difficulty levels (if there is any?)

What is the replay value in this going to turn out to be since reviewers are saying MP is pretty much worthless? (Which at least they're being honest about, right guys?). My guess is zilch, but more than likely I'm betting that DLC will be released. Decisions, decisions...
 
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Remachinate

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Derrick01 said:
Nope I will be there picking those apart too. Bioshock (and Levine) especially has a lot to live up to after how bad 1 was.
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Joke post? Typically the bar is set lower after a disappointment. If you thought Bioshock was unenjoyable, jump ship now, because Infinite is going further in the direction of simplified mechanics in service of narrative, and 1999 mode isn't what you're hoping for.
 
Vire

Vire

Member
The funny thing about DMC is that it replaces an extremely hokey premise with an equally hackneyed one.

Granted it's hard to make angels and demons not cheesy, but to swap it out for evil soda corporations is just as laughable.

But I guess the whole series is supposed to be tongue in cheek.
 
Giolon

Giolon

Member
I guess it's great that the game is reviewing well, but this just isn't my Lara Croft. I don't want the more realistic, more relatable Lara. I want the Indiana Jones x James Bond Lara that's larger than life and has fantastical adventures. Bring that Lara back, Crystal D, and we'll talk.
 
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plagiarize

Banned
Derrick01 said:
I've spent the better part of this morning reading reviews that ALL agree with most of my gameplay complaints. The only difference is they still gave it a 8 whereas if I was reviewing it and came across those problems I'd be giving it a 4. In fact the reviews spent too much time talking about non-gameplay stuff like Lara as a character or the plot and weighed it too much into the overall score. I haven't seen anything yet that says I was wrong, unless you do nothing but look at the score and not what was actually said.
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Derrick01 said:
I don't need to experience bad TPS gameplay with shoehorned RPG elements to know I don't like it, even though I've gone through it a dozen times this generation.

I guess that's one benefit of a game that doesn't try to do anything unique. You can just copy and paste your experiences with the games its copycatting.



This bringing up nothing but the score thing is getting to the point where I'm going to have to start asking if some of you need some kind of help.
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Derrick01 said:
Reviews have never once praised bad games or bad elements before. Nope.
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I thought that ASIDE from the scores 'all' the reviews agreed with your gameplay complaints. You've got to realize that once you've started moving the goal posts that you should have dropped out long ago. You are selectively deciding which reviews (and which elements of the reviews) are wrong, based on your preconceived notions.

the reviews highlight negatives and positives, and we're all grown up enough to know we still want to play a game based on a bad review, and that we don't based on a good review... but you're so beyond that now. this isn't 'us vs them' anymore, this is you vs every reviewer out their.

your opinion is valid... but please, don't think it negates anyone elses. don't think telling us your opinion of other peoples opinions has you coming across in any way but negatively.
 
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Cerebral Assassin

Member
RedStep said:
A huge issue coming across here is that some (many?) people aren't able to separate "not for me" from "bad". I don't like Romantic Comedies. They're not for me. Love, Actually is a romantic comedy that's is good. Valentine's Day is a romantic comedy that is bad. On any given day, I'd rather watch Crank. That's how understanding that an entire industry doesn't cater to you works. I'm happy that movies I like and others hate (Crank) are made, just like I'm happy that movies I dislike and others love (Love, Actually) are made. They keep us all happy. I think that there's a feeling of ownership that's keeping some from looking at the final product objectively.
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How do you think Crank fans would feel about Crank 3 being about a Vampire falling in love with a loner teenage girl? Do you think they would care about the quality of said film?
 
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Harlequin

Member
NullPointer said:
The reviews are making the same complaints that detractors here on GAF have. Complaints that still seem to be completely misunderstood by some here.

This game is also described as cribbing everything it can from the other big games, mostly Uncharted, and focusing on combat and collectibles. Sounds familiar.

The only ones that need to eat crow are those that predicted crap review scores across the board.
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They do, yes. And they still give it a great score and praise the game. What does that mean? Hm...let's think about it for a moment, shall we? It means that - all in all - these reviewers came othe conclusion that it's a great game. I don't get what's not to understand about this.

Not to mention that it's ridiculous to criticise a game for copying from Uncharted when Uncharted was almost entirely a copy-paste product itself.
 
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Mauricio_Magus

Banned
The Gametrailers review was amusing, they talked about how the message of the game is totally lost because Lora is a complete combat expert and then they keep bitching about everything and... 8.5


Gaming Journalism
 
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Taruranto

Member
I dunno whatever this TR is good or not, but i sure wouldn't trust "game journalist" to tell me that.

The best course of action is to wait for the game release and wait for the player comments.
 
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plagiarize

Banned
Cerebral Assassin said:
How do you think Crank fans would feel about Crank 3 being about a Vampire falling in love with a loner teenage girl? Do you think they would care about the quality of said film?
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speaking completely personally, I can say that if a sequel to a film changes genres and is still a good film, that it might take me a little while to get over it, but generally I will.

Alien 3 and Chronicles of Riddick spring to mind initially.

obviously if something turns into a genre I don't like, that's annoying, but it doesn't have any baring on it's quality now, does it?

also, the shift here is much more fractional than your hypothetical. a game that has always been about action platforming and puzzle solving has had it's balance tweaked a bit. even if some of those elements have been scaled back, they don't appear to have been marginalized. The series has had plenty of games that had large chunks of the game that were more action focused, and contained set pieces and were set in locations about as far away from Tombs as you can get. I didn't not feel like I was playing a Tomb Raider game during those hours, even if I preferred the lonely exploration of the abandoned ruins the series never strayed to far from.
 
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Derrick01

Banned
plagiarize said:
I thought that ASIDE from the scores 'all' the reviews agreed with your gameplay complaints. You've got to realize that once you've started moving the goal posts that you should have dropped out long ago. You are selectively deciding which reviews (and which elements of the reviews) are wrong, based on your preconceived notions.
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The reviews that I read/watched (GT, Kotaku, Eurogamer, Edge, Rev3games and gamespot) all mentioned most if not all of the gameplay complaints I had. The thing is they all go on to basically say "the sum of its parts make it good" and I disagree with that. Because they're basically saying the gameplay blows but the story and other non gaming parts make up for it, and unless we're talking about adventure games (most recently the walking dead) who purposely set out to not have a ton of gameplay, story and "character development" doesn't make up for bad gameplay in a video game.
 
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Foffy

Banned
So, despite the game seeming to have all of the wrong things from the modern era of games like QTE and awful storytelling (this was painfully obvious, and a sincere issue this industry has yet to solve), it's actually a decent game?
 
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C.Monkey

Banned
Relaxed Muscle said:
Whatever the scores are, the reviews confirm the fears a lot of us had with the game.

I'll get the game for cheap but this game definetly kill the Tomb Raider games as we know it.
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yup, just like how RE4 killed RE games as we knew them. It was a pretty good game though, I'd say, that RE4.
 
Vire

Vire

Member
plagiarize said:
speaking completely personally, I can say that if a sequel to a film changes genres and is still a good film, that it might take me a little while to get over it, but generally I will.

Alien 3 and Chronicles of Riddick spring to mind initially.

obviously if something turns into a genre I don't like, that's annoying, but it doesn't have any baring on it's quality now, does it?
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Wat.

Alien 3 is a terrible film.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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Eideka said:
That's a badass bow at the beginning of the video (24s), different from the one I've seen.

Pre order bonus bullshit ?
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One of the dev diaries states you can upgrade your weapons and shows Lara upgrading from the primitive bow to a long bow to a modern recurve bow in-game.

Which video review is the least spoilery? I wanna see the game in action but don't wanna get spoiled.
 
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truly101

I got grudge sucked!
Hilarious that Machima has the lowest score. Oh well, it will be another opportunity for the elitist to bemoan and deride the games media as corporate shills and how they couldn't be bothered to wipe their asses with the instruction manual. Or someothing like that.
 
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