gooner4life_uk
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It add's a lot of annoyance when they reflect the racing line arrows which aren't actually part of the track on the bonnet of your car, talk about immersion breaking.
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Digital Foundry calls out Turn10 for downgrading Forza Motorsport.
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It add's a lot of annoyance when they reflect the racing line arrows which aren't actually part of the track on the bonnet of your car, talk about immersion breaking.
Vol5
Member
That's what they've done for years, but you've only just unsubscribed? And it's not just a few frames here and there. It's insightful videos around technology and how games look and feel.
How may times do we hear about gaming "journalists" being nothing more than influencers for the publisher that gives them the best merch or sends them free games to cover to sway review scores? Over the past couple of years and the abhorrent releases that need constant fixing, DF are right to call that shit out.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Yup ..the RT sucks on Series X
systemr123
Member
Just played the game on my series X for a bit now. The car handling is awful, the controller rumble feels awful, the screen is either mega grey or overexposed. Damn turn 10 really flicked this game up. Oh and the sound of the wheels in corners lol, what is that mouse squeaking sound?
So far the game gets a 5/10 from me and that’s me being generous, omg what a perfect Gamepass game this has become.
So far the game gets a 5/10 from me and that’s me being generous, omg what a perfect Gamepass game this has become.
Killer8
Member
But bro, if you point this out, you must have been insane to expect RDNA2 consoles to do infinity ray tracing!
^ that was what I was told pre-release on here, when I expressed my dismay at how the RT reflections are barely there, but when DF come out and says the same, suddenly people nod and agree...
The only worthwhile RT effect in the game was the ambient occlusion.
What others examples do you know of? The only one I can recall is Halo infinite.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
That is the schtick, what pays the bills.
They may well say:
"absolutely fascinating to see that [insert console name] has lower resolution shadows, just look at the difference when we zoom in 800% the [insert jargon] processing here seems to be much less efficient than [other jargon]"
But really their whole business hinges on fanboys desperate for their console to be best. The way digital foundry videos are used here is the way they're used everywhere.
CoreyFlawless
Member
The game looks great. One of the best looking racing out there now. So like, who cares. The next be better, the next racing after that one be better and the recycling continues.
99% of YT'ers do the most cringey face thumbnails
balls of snow
Member
Ouch. I should just delete that 100 gb hole on my series x then. Never really a sim racer and with the issues popping up its not worth it to even boot up.
Those ms suits wanted so much to avoid having another halo infinite moment with ray tracing and it shows. They pushed the devs to include in at launch come hell or high water.
Those ms suits wanted so much to avoid having another halo infinite moment with ray tracing and it shows. They pushed the devs to include in at launch come hell or high water.
FeralEcho
Member
And yet it's still one of the top 3 best looking games on PS3. I'd love some lies like that nowadays....where games despite bullshots actually end up hella impressive but nope we're stuck with the most dissapointing graphical generation there has ever been,with talentless programmers and soulless looking games.Gaming trully has become a business in every sense of the word.No passion left in western companies it's all about that dough and the content to fill their subscription.
Thank God for the japanese and indie devs.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
RickMasters
Member
And this is why I think they should not have bothered getting to deep into the PC side of things. They gave up Xbox exclusivity for shoddy PC ports. May aswell have just focused on Xbox.
RickMasters
Member
Console owners will never be PC gamers. I honestly think they just need to ditch PC games development. It’s obvious it’s an after thought. Same goes with halo. These games did not need to be PC games. And now look… shoddy PC ports…. Xbox versions do get the attention they should get because they are thinking of how these games will run on a million different PAC configs. Just ditch PC development. PC gamers have steam for all their needs anyway.
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Well the build from the ground up seems to be the problem.. the engine/game is not finishedBuilt from the ground up for 6 years
Really disappointing to me as well what we got after what we saw last year as a preview video
this is problematic happens when you start from scratch.
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Team Andromeda
Member
DF pandering. They must be desperate for more clicks and likes...
I played this 2 weeks and ago and it sill looks incredible.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
sendit
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newtypepilot
Member
Daneel Elijah
Gold Member
I got a PC for gaming since Skyrim and do play some games on it from time to time( and I have a better one now of course) , even if I am mostly playing on Playstation. This is a matter of preferences and depending of the game and personal tastes more choice is always good. Take a game like Vampire survivors. Some will play it on PC, some on consoles and some on mobile. As the game is not demanding there is not that much difference between platforms.
Steam being enough for gamers is absolute truth. Even Sony put their games on it instead of having their own store. Being late is better than nothing.
Poltz
Member
A bit downgraded is being very generous.
SenkiDala
Member
Maybe maybe but I can't help but getting a bit upset when people who's job is just shitting on devs work just open their filthy mouth to critic what they wouldn't be able to do, it's just a shitty job imo. Yes the game is (a bit) downgraded but it is still beautiful, MS allowed the reviews a few days before the release of the game so people can keep or cancel their preorders... it's alright.
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March Climber
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It's because of multiple reasons that this generation is in an awkward spot, but two of the biggest issues that were a one-two punch to this generation(the usage of ray-tracing, and the sudden jump from 1080p to 4k) are both being solved with technologies similar to DLSS. These things need more resources and time to develop though, so we will have to endure a generation of growing pains to get there.
Gamers can whine about it all we want while we're all on this road, but we'll all eventually be happy(including the japanese and indie developers you like) once we see all of the hard groundwork pay off in the end to help streamline development, because having to spend countless hours working on things in Killzone like volumetric smoke, individual lighting sources, fire effects, etc. are all huge pain in the ass time and money sinks in today's age full of triple digit million dollar budgets.
demigod
Member
They are buttering up to Sony for PS5 pro exclusive.
supernova8
Banned
supernova8
Banned
Kinda makes you wonder why Microsoft keeps giving (via sponsoring content) Digital Foundry early access and deep dives. It's almost like:
Before sponsorship cheque has cleared in DF's account:
After funds have cleared:
Basically exact same thing has happened with Starfield and Forza.
Before sponsorship cheque has cleared in DF's account:
After funds have cleared:
Basically exact same thing has happened with Starfield and Forza.
Team Andromeda
Member
It's sad to see how DF pander now.
When Spiderman's reflections are changed it's down to creative choices and when Zelda TOTK is downgraded not a word. Still, listen to DF PC is completely BC with old games. I'll try and remember that when trying to play Operation Flashpoint on my modern PC or how because a console has no disc drive it might as well be a Chrome cast. I've never heard such drivel in all life and to call out Forza for going far more than any modern racer on a console is a utter joke
Forza looks stunning far better than any racing game on any console. What makes this game mind is the AI shame that's all lost in this silly fanboy bashing.
Securing sales takes strategic decisions from different perspectives, selling less hardware will eventually result in increase in software sales, an average game selling 25m units is something new and never seen before, cause we were used to see a clear gap between hardware and software sales, they aren't entirely wrong from a business perspective cause the gaming industry is a risky business.
Team Andromeda
Member
Even DF Retro is full of fanboy crap. Any real SEGA and SEGA Saturn knew Need For Speed on the Saturn had in-game music and working dials LOL
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
You are quoting puddlegate vs the Forza RT changes from gameplay reveal last year to this day?!? Really?!? The worrying bit is that if you say that so strongly it means that it is just accepted “knowledge” in your circles…
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Wtf?!? Uncalled for…
DirtyBast8rd
Member
Assumptions. I build a pc recently and it will be my main platform after being a console gamer for 30 years. There are also pc gamers who switch to console. Never and always are dumb words.
Team Andromeda
Member
Both saw changes to reflections but DF didn't call one out. Zelda saw a downgrade from its trailer but was not called out.
The fact that Turn 10 has got RT running game at 60 FPS is really special on a console.
I get why the game was called out for its replay bugs and graphical issues mind
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Oh come on, if you are shilling fine… playing the game… otherwise it is intellectually dishonest.
DJ12
Member
JimboJones
Member
Just checked pc gaming wiki, apparently you can get operation flashpoint running on modern systems, also still for sale under the arma name.
Also with regards to ToTK there was many videos with them thinking the game was "to big for switch" when with the first round of marketing materials, they where unconvinced it was stock switch hardware running it.
Team Andromeda
Member
Shilling LOL.
Games can lose graphical quality with the move from a development kit to a mass-production console.
The game got RT effects in-game which was a big promise The way some talk on here it's like FORZA is a bad-looking game when it's not far off from what was shown.
And I bet like usually the ones doing the most bashing (not you) don't own a Series X much less have played the game. It's the social media way...
gooner4life_uk
Member
Forza is a massive disappointment like all Microsoft Game Studios games, and i'd argue outside of the geometry it's an objectively bad looking game, it's bland in presentation and I've got a Series X and a gaming PC with a 4090.
systemr123
Member
Sorry to burst your bubble but the game on series x doesn’t look anything like the reveal trailer. I know because I have actually played it.
Not to say it’s the worst looking and playing racer ever but there are much better racing games out there. MS missed the opportunity once more to release greatness, as they did with Halo, and Redfall, and Crackdown 3 etc.
Only games this gen so far that are really good from MS studios are in my opinion: Flight sim and Forza Horizon. Unfortunately for MS both those games are niche as hell.
I also liked that music game, forgot the name of it, but thats even much more niche.
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systemr123
Member
Exactly, game doesn’t look great, and even doesn’t 100% look “good”. It’s a product what you could expect from a AA studio, not a AAA studio with a good reputation before.