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FINAL FANTASY XVI | Prologue DEMO
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Go_Ly_Dow
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Not even just the Versus trailers, but both XV E3 2013 trailers, the TGS 2014 trailer, the Jump Festa 2014 trailer. Look at all the cutscenes and moments in general not in the final product lol.
If they handled XV with the same plan as XVI, one game, defined vision, relatively smooth development, no alternative media tie ins, given time to cook in the oven, then it probably would have been the game that made FF very big again and gone on to sell 15-20mil copies.
The fact that it sold just over 10mil eventually is quite an achievement I'll say.
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Thirty7ven
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I mostly mean the voices match the characters and the tone much better. There’s a disconnect between the English VA and the characters for me. Look at young Clive for example, he sounds like this fragile boy although he acts none of the sort. But to each his own.
mortal
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I don't follow that logic at all. That's assuming the scene even calls for more emotion.
More emotion does not equate to better performances either, good acting skills and direction do.
How can Japanese actors be better suited in most cases if you don't even speak the language to make that discernment?
Let alone to the degree of claiming one outclasses the other. That makes no sense to me.
If an English dub is bad enough that you rather not subject yourself to it, that's a fair argument I can understand.
However, I could never claim that the Japanese performances are actually better.
In actuality, I'm just avoiding a bad English dub, rather than actually directly comparing the quality of the two.
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Danjin44
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In most cases I agree, I cant even imagine watching shows like One Piece without Japanese voice, it fits them so well.
DownLikeBCPowder
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IMO it's probably because of all the bloated content to make a full game out of Midgar, because presentation, graphics, sound, gameplay are all excellent. Story is definitely debatable but eh, reviewers seemed to like "the subversion" in general.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Intergrade on PS5 came close to 90...
Some better sidequests, NPCs that didn't look like poop close up probably would have pushed this to 90-92 lol.
I loved it from start to finish and thought it was excellent. Expecting Rebirth to be even better.
ChiefDada
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Observed holiday today for many here in the states so I've been spending hours in the demo trying to improve and become more familiar with combat. It is very deep as others said and you definitely get more out of it when your button pressing is purposeful.
Also, after going through all the trailers, most for the first time, I'm pretty sure this will be my GOTY. The music, my God!
Also, after going through all the trailers, most for the first time, I'm pretty sure this will be my GOTY. The music, my God!
Dynasty8
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XV is an absolute mess. I don't mean that in an insulting way only, but literally as well.
FFXV's Combat doesn't know what it wants to be. It felt very clunky with absurd choices. You can hold X to win most battles, you can literally just spam potions nonstop and never die and if you ever came close to losing... a summon would appear to save you and wipe all the enemies. Throughout my 2 playthroughs (once on the launch version and second a few years later in the Royal Edition), I never felt any engagement or a sense of urgency. Combat and gameplay felt very brain dead.
Then comes the story... My God, Square really dropped the ball here. There were so many plot holes that were intentionally in the game ONLY to add future mediocre DLC's years later. Square's greed to milk this game heavily affected the quality of the overall product, especially the story. But even playing the Royal Edition with all character DLC's, it still felt forced in and out of place. Game truly never made sense from a narrative perspective. Having the Kingsglaive movie and Brotherhood anime separate from the game also created a bigger mess as well.
And lastly, most of the game had a ton of generic/cringe anime tropes with weird characters and writing ("Jared...oh no! Not Jared!"). It's hard to take a game seriously when characters act extremely stupid, out of place, cringey and complain nonstop. The XVI demo didn't show this at all and my hope is Square continues going in the more mature route with a focus on character development and quality writing.
FFXV's Combat doesn't know what it wants to be. It felt very clunky with absurd choices. You can hold X to win most battles, you can literally just spam potions nonstop and never die and if you ever came close to losing... a summon would appear to save you and wipe all the enemies. Throughout my 2 playthroughs (once on the launch version and second a few years later in the Royal Edition), I never felt any engagement or a sense of urgency. Combat and gameplay felt very brain dead.
Then comes the story... My God, Square really dropped the ball here. There were so many plot holes that were intentionally in the game ONLY to add future mediocre DLC's years later. Square's greed to milk this game heavily affected the quality of the overall product, especially the story. But even playing the Royal Edition with all character DLC's, it still felt forced in and out of place. Game truly never made sense from a narrative perspective. Having the Kingsglaive movie and Brotherhood anime separate from the game also created a bigger mess as well.
And lastly, most of the game had a ton of generic/cringe anime tropes with weird characters and writing ("Jared...oh no! Not Jared!"). It's hard to take a game seriously when characters act extremely stupid, out of place, cringey and complain nonstop. The XVI demo didn't show this at all and my hope is Square continues going in the more mature route with a focus on character development and quality writing.
Hypereides
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Gotta admit, the game has pretty solid musical tracks thus far. That Soken dude ain't half bad. Some tracks got enchanting vibes that resonate to those older epic FFs.
Its a shame we never got Mafioso-suits fantasy. The aesthetics and art direction looked pretty dope.
Kinda curious what lead them astray from that artistic vision. It was far more interesting than whatever they squeezed out in FFXV.
Its a shame we never got Mafioso-suits fantasy. The aesthetics and art direction looked pretty dope.
Kinda curious what lead them astray from that artistic vision. It was far more interesting than whatever they squeezed out in FFXV.
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They won't.
CBU3 won't make the next one and the reason this is mature doesn't trace back to a business decision, but because the team members involved in this have been doing it for up to 30 years. This game traces itself back to Tactics Ogre and then subsequently Final Fantasy Tactics in the early 90. In members who worked on it, in members that are straight up protegees of people involved in it and in inspiration.
This was always going to be dark, european inspired and mature. Game of Thrones or not. That just upped the degree.
Similiary whatever dev team and writers are on the next one will do what they do best. Kitases team, whenever they return from Remake, won't do dark mature either.
You can't say Final Fantasy changes and then try to limit it. Whatever comes, comes.
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Little Mac
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Any leaked reviews/impressions? When's the embargo lifted?
mortal
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Yea, I disagree entirely. Ben Starr's performance as young Clive didn't give that impression to me whatsoever. Nor did he come off as someone fragile or meek when faced with danger.
Young Clive gave me the impression of an inexperienced young man navigating through his personal fears, self-doubt, and some complex relationships despite his privileged upbringing.
I think it's fitting considering he's an adolescent male going through manhood, with all the responsibilities and pressures that come with it.
As you said, to each their own.
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Roufianos
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I thought it was ok. Dialogue was kind of dull and combat felt a bit easy and button mashy. The Eikon battle was just lame button mashing.
I get that RPGs are a slow burn, and this was a better intro than most, but I have no idea what's meant to be so mind blowing about it. Still gonna get it though.
I get that RPGs are a slow burn, and this was a better intro than most, but I have no idea what's meant to be so mind blowing about it. Still gonna get it though.
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Danjin44
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I actually like his voice, young Clive give me impression he was naive and inexperienced and emotional towards how her mother treats him and how he desperately trying to prove himself.
Crayon
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You know, this demo was hype and it made me want to pick up my second play of 7R that I left hanging.
The save was from somehere in the middle of the game, about level 50. And to my surprise it was on hard mode. And holy crap the battle system in 7R kicks so much ass. I hope 16 can reach that level.
The save was from somehere in the middle of the game, about level 50. And to my surprise it was on hard mode. And holy crap the battle system in 7R kicks so much ass. I hope 16 can reach that level.
Sleepwalker
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I was too lazy to preorder the best buy edition with the free steelbook now its out of stock.
Will have to preorder the deluxe edition now
Will have to preorder the deluxe edition now
Fabieter
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Maybe the more emotional direction is just my cup of tea and I have to settle with something I don't like as much which sucks. Its nice that at least some people will like the focus on english more than Japanese tho.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Eh, I'm one of those haters of all the changes/sequelishness of what they decided to do and will likely continue to do. That Yuffie DLC ending made me burn because before I could still deny thatIntergrade on PS5 came close to 90...
Some better sidequests, NPCs that didn't look like poop close up probably would have pushed this to 90-92 lol.
I loved it from start to finish and thought it was excellent. Expecting Rebirth to be even better.
Zack was alive, but that ending at the church makes it super clear he's in the present for whatever God awful reason, plus the Dirge of Cerberus enemies suck IMO.
That said I recognize that just about everything else in the game is as good as I could have dreamed (visual, music, etc).
They added more sidequests to Intergrade? What is the new content aside from ability to buy Yuffie DLC? I'd check it out. I have the free upgrade from PS4 copy...
Ronin_7
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Wednesday 5PM BST.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Know that feel.. hoping the Amazon forecast of the 26th is wrong . I don't understand why it would be true. Game comes out on Thursday, I don't see why they wouldn't be shipping it Wednesday, but seems more like they are shipping Saturday or Friday.
Normally Amazon is very fast / on release I thought ?
Lokaum D+
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1 day before launch ? c'mon Square where is your confidence ?
Dr. Claus
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When you have vindicitive cunts like EuroGamer who would tear you down for not having what they consider "proper diversity"? I wouldn't trust reviewers either.
Mine just says delivered by Friday but new releases always say delivered by the day of release, not the day after. Even when I added it to my cart months ago it said Friday.Know that feel.. hoping the Amazon forecast of the 26th is wrong . I don't understand why it would be true. Game comes out on Thursday, I don't see why they wouldn't be shipping it Wednesday, but seems more like they are shipping Saturday or Friday.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Is yours Amazon? In USA? Yeah this is what confuses me.. 26th seems way off.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Got my eyes peeled on all these outlets that dished out 10s to GOW Ragnarock like candy that'll probably give this 7 to 9.
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Danjin44
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honestly review score don’t interest me, demo was more than enough for me.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Seems like the demo is doing more wonders to sell the game than review score will. Glowing impressions both online and amongst friends. Great move by Yoshida and Co.
CrustyBritches
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My prediction is a 91 metacritic. Best Final Fantasy since X, most important since the original.
Sensei
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As I previously stated in another thread, I don't think this game will break the MC 90s barrier, mainly becasue there are still several reviewers going for the "not my FF" or the "not diverse enough" takes. Also, if the performance issues are not entirely fixed by the day-1 patch it could very well affect the scores this time around.
Anyway, I will play the game in a few days, regardless of the reviews. I will decide by myself if this is an actual masterpiece or simply a good game.
If I have to be completely honest, deep down, I hope I'm wrong and the game actually manages to break that 90s barrier! Not for the score itself, but because of what that number represents for the developers and the publishers and for how it can shape the future of the franchise.
Sorry if this sounds weird or if there were many errors, but I just don't feel particuarly well tonight and I probably just needed to vent for a bit.
Anyway, I will play the game in a few days, regardless of the reviews. I will decide by myself if this is an actual masterpiece or simply a good game.
If I have to be completely honest, deep down, I hope I'm wrong and the game actually manages to break that 90s barrier! Not for the score itself, but because of what that number represents for the developers and the publishers and for how it can shape the future of the franchise.
Sorry if this sounds weird or if there were many errors, but I just don't feel particuarly well tonight and I probably just needed to vent for a bit.
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Lokaum D+
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It shouldn't TotK has major flaws in this category and didn't affect scores at all, but sadly we know how nostalgia glasses work for some games and not for others.
i think this game has the potential to break the 90+ despite its flaws, but we'll have to wait to see.
and c'mon the Dalmechians arent white at all, just look at Hugo
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Sensei
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I understand what you're trying to say. But you also know how people these days approach the reviews of a certain franchise compared to the other.
Just to be sure, let me repeat it, I'd be ecstastic if FFXVI gets a 90+ in the end. I really would be.
But reality isn't so simple and I somehow have a bad feeling about this. Like when the wind suddenly changes and brings rain with it. Again, sorry for being a bit demolarizing this night.
mortal
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Strangely enough, the cinematic spectacles peppered throughout the battles in FFVII Remake & FFXVI felt much closer to what was presented in these pre-release trailers.
FF VII Remake has set the precedent for reimagined mainline entries, so maybe one day we'll get a realization much closer to that original vision in the form of a FFVII-style remake/reimagining.
Either way, Nomura seems fixated on recreating those original ideas by any means available to him, most recently via Kingdom Hearts III and that whole Verum Rex thing.
The whole thing feels oddly meta in a way. I'm not all that invested in Kingdom Heart storylines, but tbh I'm kind of intrigued by KH IV for mainly this reason.
Mr.Phoenix
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I think it's obvious. And I don't think that is going to be the big reveal... a lot of the people trying to put this game down dismiss it as a revenge story. I don't believe that's what it is. Its more going to be a redemption story.
Being the person he would have to be revenging on is himself.
Hugare
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Ash Parrish, who is reviewing for The Verge, baguely said on a tweet that the game has better combat than KH 2: FM
Which some consider to have the best combat system of all time
So she is 100% loving it
The same Ash Parrish that I mentioned above is the one who wrote that article about the lack of inclusion in FF XVI.
She seems to be loving the game.
Maybe she realised while playing the game that she didnt have enough context to write that article and now is ashamed of her words and deeds? Or she is loving it despite having that axe to grind, which is even more praise to how good the game might be.
Danjin44
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I bet you anything some reviewers going be "offended" by darker tone or "sex" in this game, because god forbid Japanese games have sexual theme.
As long as it western game its okay but Japanese games is too far. I mean in Xenoblade X they had to remove boob slider in character creator but in Cyberpunk they had full nudity with sliders for genitals......if thats not double standard I dont know what is.
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Sexual themes are fine for western games, as long as they are made by Naughty Dog and Rockstar, apparently.
Just finished the demo. This is easily my game of the year based off of the demo alone. This is what you imagine FF to be in the future when you were a kid playing FF4 or FF6. If this doesn't crack a 90 because of some diversity nonsense, then something is seriously wrong with the game media.
Danjin44
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Remember this? Apparently its not okay for character point gun in the cover....
That okay for Rockstar games....
Balducci30
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People may think it’s just that good and those outlier agenda reviews will only end up taking it down a few points. In which case it could still break 90
CrustyBritches
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Preload is live. Weighs in at 90GB…
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Danjin44
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Preload is live. Weighs in at 90GB…
I guess that the price I have to pay for buying physical copy.
CrustyBritches
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When do get your copy?
James Sawyer Ford
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Downloading my GOTY right now. Cannot wait for this masterpiece to release