Nickolaidas
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Did you just imply that Craig is a quality 3d character model?
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Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart I New Extended Gamescom Gameplay Demo
You seem to be working from a different definition of next gen to everyone else here, namely something that uses new techniques. I think everyone else just thinks of it as "looks way better than current gen".
Pretty much everyone thinks Ratchet looks next gen by the latter definition. Personally I think it looks way better than Black Myth, or Control with max settings.
If you don't, fair enough, but you kind of have to concede that it's a subjective opinion, and also that you're in the small minority.
Papacheeks
Banned
When people make comparisons to the CGI film in 2016, and how this game IQ wise surpasses it I tend to take notice regardless if I have seen "renders fur"
Ratchet & Clank PS5 Surpasses 2016 Movie, Runs in Native 4K with Ray Tracing
A showcase for Sony's SSD
www.pushsquare.com
Also you got banned for doubling down on some things on the other site.
You are downplaying that this game IQ wise is on par if not better than a CGI film from 2016 running at a native 4k. And many veterans which I also talk to on CG TALK and the likes would agree with the IQ being very high on that game.
If you go to that link you will see a in-game screen shot from the new game showing really good looking fur that is probably modeled to ratchet instead of being rendered individually. But it still is impressive.
You try to use your career to justify your opinion, and I'm all for people who work in these fields to give insight, but don't go trying to use it to downplay the conversation. You are using your specific workload in rendered CGI, films,tv to down play IQ increases that we and many others have noted on seeing with these new demos.
You think just because you happen to be someone who works in this field that your opinion is god.
Guess what It's not. And you are not the only one in this field that can talk with that type of insight.
I think everyone in the industry covering gaming and others who work in the VFX industry would concur on how good it looks. It's just you saying your not impressed. And there's nothing wrong with that especially given the examples you gave which were insightful.
But your comparing specific rendering of objects/assets like hair/fur and not looking at everything else in the game. Like assets in the unreal 5 demo were movie quality meaning 8k assets.
This game is using similar things. Especially if you look at the other demo with the beginning clip.
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Zathalus
Member
It can be next-gen and you can still point out flaws. Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 is widely regarding as next-gen for example, but you can certainly pick out numerous flaws with the games visuals. Besides this game has a number of techniques inherit to it that can not have been replicated on previous gen hardware, so it qualifies as next-gen based on that alone.
Also, before you ask, then next gen features is the 1 second world loading and RT reflections to name just two. Try doing that on current gen consoles and see how that works out for you. Yes, PC can do RT reflections as well, but PC has never been included in these comparisons, the 'gen' in next-gen refers to generations, namely console generations. Thus, this game very much qualifies at next-gen.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Posts like this drive me crazy. You come off as an immature crybaby who can't handle criticism of a video game... but I'd bet is a mud-slinger in xbox threads. The reality is people who work in a profession and have a knowledge base have a different perspective and may see things different than a layman. This is true with any profession. When you guys post stuff like this it comes off as you being butthurt, not edgy fyi.Lol, you really are butthurt and annoyed with Sony. What happened? Did you apply to work at one of the Sony studios and got rejected?
Please, sit down and take this this doll. Please point where Sony touched you.
I think R&C look phenominal, but I don't think it looks groundbreaking and I'm not even in the industry. I have yet to see anything that screams generational leap like Gears did with the 360, Killzone with the PS3, or even RE1 with the PS1 from either console at this point. Will R&C be a great game.. probably.. it looks like a prettier version of their last game, so I'm sure it'll be fun.
vaibhavpisal
Member
This game is more of a SSD showcase than a visual showcase. So next gen.
Graphics ain't bad either.
JTCx
Member
Oh shit word!? Fellow alumni I graduated from there too many years ago. Not fulltime cg artist anymore but still do contract and side gigs. Good thing theres others on here, we can all see through his bullshit
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
just that ratchet is a blurry mess in motion. go on, you try and capture up close in motion one of those brute-type enemies from the trailer for me too, if you can.
already two people committed to do just that and failed. you know what einstein said, definition of insanity is trying the same thing again and again, expecting a different outcome each time.
so please, be my guest
in contrast, would you like me to post again the video segment from which the "craig" meme was created?
just to see how "blurry" was that in comparison...!
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Nickolaidas
Member
Craig's problem is that he's blurry, or the fact that he somehow is devoid of facial hair when his race used to thrive in it in previous games?
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
halo brutes are on a special "diet" so they can run at 120fps
of course, if 343i was "smart" (and by that I mean stupid) enough to pour motion blur on everything, nobody would ever be able to see his face, let alone count his facial hair.
one of the good things with high framerates is that you dont need to blur everything in order to mask the poor framerate.
Nickolaidas
Member
Do you see any blurriness here?
Are you satisfied with what you are seeing?
This is what you should be seeing.
Are you satisfied with what you are seeing?
This is what you should be seeing.
MDSLKTR
Gold Member
I like watching narcissistic personality disorder on display publicly!
iconmaster
Banned
Edit: waaaaay wrong thread.
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Nickolaidas
Member
.... what thread am I reading?
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
You can't be at all serious by bringing up the CG cinematics of atriox, brute chieftain that Blur Studios created , and pretending this is your expectation for every brute minor.Do you see any blurriness here?
Are you satisfied with what you are seeing?
This is what you should be seeing.
No matter how extraneous one could be to halo, this is just trolling.
Go watch some videos of Halo 3, where the brutes were the main antagonists and the larger amount of diversity between them exists, then return here to say you made a mistake.
Just to give you a good push-start, there are minor brutes (soldiers), majors, commanders, chieftains, etc
what you see in the video segment is a minor. by the way, its the part from which the single frame was secluded and made the craig meme. try and spot that single frame that created "craig" if you can
now, you watch the above a couple of times, then go to youtube and watch some minor brutes from halo 3. then come back here and say you are sorry
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zettacroix
Neo Member
For me it looked almost identical to what they showed last time. After the interview where they confirmed that rift jumping between worlds will only be here and there in the game, my interest fell to a low. Gameplaywise it looks like a very generic casual third person shooter - although I'm not a ratchet and clank fan therefore I'm completely objective as if it'd be a new IP.
Wildstar75
Member
This demo made me so hyped for PS5. I hope my PS loyalty is sufficient enough to get one this year.
GymWolf
Gold Member
When a ratchet&clank topic suddently become this deep...
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TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
sure beats posting craig memes again and again and again
GymWolf
Gold Member
Dude i wasn't even talking about you...do you even readed the post i quoted??
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
yes I read it, it's a wrong thread post most probably, but still more interesting that the constant repost of craig memes as an answer to everything
Papacheeks
Banned
Oh shit word!? Fellow alumni I graduated from there too many years ago. Not fulltime cg artist anymore but still do contract and side gigs. Good thing theres others on here, we can all see through his bullshit
Yup, I tested into the the Blue Sky classes, but when I went was 2007-- and we had the economic crash. I lost all my loans, I was from Newyork so I couldn't get a call grant or anything. So I was close to signing on a loan to finish my last year. But it was too steep since it came from a credit union.
So I finished my semester and changed over career to IT. Since I was helping a lot in the labs with PC's. Also there were tons of people at the time that were building their own PC's for rendering so they didn't have to go all the way down to the federal district just to do some renders.
Thats how I changed careers.
Also it was just leaked that there will be a 60fps mode for ratchet and clank at lower settings.
PS5『ラチェット＆クランク:リフトアパート（仮称）』開発者インタビュー。ロード画面は一切ナシ！ コントローラーの新機能で武器ごとに異なる感触を味わえる | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com
PS5で発売予定の『ラチェット＆クランク:リフトアパート（仮称）』最新映像を受けて、開発者たちへ気になる質問を投げ掛けたインタビューをお届け。
www.famitsu.com
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JLMC469
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The only thing I would “criticize” and in all fairness this was just a 7 minute demo and all R&C are like this, is that I would have hoped for bigger playing areas.
Seems like is just one constrained environment after the other. Again, all R&C are like this and maybe criticize is a bad word for it (more like an observation).
Seems like is just one constrained environment after the other. Again, all R&C are like this and maybe criticize is a bad word for it (more like an observation).
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Nickolaidas
Member
Why not? Ratchet & Clank currently looks exactly like the movie, if not better.
And sure, let's compare the brutes of a less than 1 TF console made fifteen years ago to those of a 12TF console and expect them to be more or less the same and have no evolved design whatsoever.
You sure I'm the troll here?
Here are some brutes from ODST. Even those guys had some hair.
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mckmas8808
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Yup, I tested into the the Blue Sky classes, but when I went was 2007-- and we had the economic crash. I lost all my loans, I was from Newyork so I couldn't get a call grant or anything. So I was close to signing on a loan to finish my last year. But it was too steep since it came from a credit union.
So I finished my semester and changed over career to IT. Since I was helping a lot in the labs with PC's. Also there were tons of people at the time that were building their own PC's for rendering so they didn't have to go all the way down to the federal district just to do some renders.
Thats how I changed careers.
Also it was just leaked that there will be a 60fps mode for ratchet and clank at lower settings.
PS5『ラチェット＆クランク:リフトアパート（仮称）』開発者インタビュー。ロード画面は一切ナシ！ コントローラーの新機能で武器ごとに異なる感触を味わえる | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com
PS5で発売予定の『ラチェット＆クランク:リフトアパート（仮称）』最新映像を受けて、開発者たちへ気になる質問を投げ掛けたインタビューをお届け。
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THIS IS GREAT!!!! I love options. So this game will have both 30 fps and 60 fps.
Papacheeks
Banned
Same as Spiderman:Miles morales which also has an optional 60fps mode.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Every ratchet has some more open areas to explore for secrets and some little action packed areas, i think we are gonna have some big place to visit in the game.
But yeah, the small sections looks a little bit too small.
Pedro Motta
Member
I'm sure you understand that this game is in development for at least 2 years, it's a launch window title. They probably didn't have a good enough devkit until mid 2019. And I'm sure you are aware of optimization, it's simply stupid to raytrace everything even when it's not needed, you can't just brute force quality like you do with offline rendering. If you compare this with the last Ratchet and Clank for the PS4 it definitely is next gen, don't understand your problem.
mckmas8808
Banned
I wonder what resolution Insomniac is really both of these games at when they are in 60fps mode. Do you think it's at least 1440?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It makes the forum so much better.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Could be game of the year
Nickolaidas
Member
Downloading the 4K video! WIll listen in headphones - can't wait!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ratchet kills unarmed black man after going through a portal and falling into Detroit.
Nickolaidas
Member
Has ERA boycotted the game yet?
Darius87
Member
i would bet on 1440p likely unlocked R&C would run higher then 30FPS but not reaching 60FPS at 4K so it would not be that hard to reach 60FPS at 1440p same with SM.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Every single game that comes out exclusive for Sony is going to be considered "next-gen" to you guys. You will intentionally ignore the 3rd party games even if they are doing something spectacular. I saw it for years last gen. This gen will be no different. Judging graphics should be based on the fact that it's doing something unique and GPU computensive. That's why I hate getting into subjective arguments with the Sony guys. Most Xbox guys are more down to earth and can see their exclusives for what it is.
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Papacheeks
Banned
Probably or using CHeckerboard/variable resolution option.
nowhat
Gold Member
I mean... You said it, not me.
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GHG
Member
Given recent events, I don't think they have much choice here...
VFXVeteran
Banned
When people make comparisons to the CGI film in 2016, and how this game IQ wise surpasses it I tend to take notice regardless if I have seen "renders fur"
Ratchet & Clank PS5 Surpasses 2016 Movie, Runs in Native 4K with Ray Tracing
A showcase for Sony's SSD
I never saw the 2016 movie of R&C. Didn't even know once existed nor do I know what company did it. But reading that article doesn't lend any credence that I'm wrong about my opinions.
No I didn't give ANY insider information. So it is as I said it was. I'm not sure why it continues to be brought up here though. The mods know my history and they don't seem to have a problem with me. It's always brought up by a Sony guy who is trying to incite negativity into my arguments? Why?
You think it's impressive. I think other games are impressive and I give objective facts why. You haven't given any objective facts that promotes discussion. It's just "you are being an asshole because you downplay this Sony exclusive". What's funny is that you guys don't even see your own bias or willing to admit that you are biased. I've judged every single game demo this gen whether on PC/XSX/PS5 the way I see it. Not all the games coming out will be next-gen quality. And that means Sony games as well.
I use my experience and knowledge of how shading and lighting works to give insight. It's not that my opinion is god. I never come in here and say, "listen to me because I know it all.." In fact, I wouldn't have even pointed out the things I saw if someone didn't ask me.
Trust me. I look at everything else in the game. And I compare it to what I've already seen. I think we should all do that. No game is perfect. And this game isn't using 8k textures or Zbrushed models like UE5. Stop spreading FUD.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
why do you get the idea anyone ignores anything spectacular on any platform?
if anything, fanboys have far more interest in whats happening on other platform.
Also why a game must do something unique or computationally intensive to look good or considered next gen?
VFXVeteran
Banned
Because the overall consensus is that is the requirement. Would you all be OK with stating that Control, Metro, BF5, RDR2 and MW all on PC are next-gen titles due to the fact that most use RTX and some can't be run at 4k with Ultra settings on current gen?
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Hezekiah
Banned
When has there been any suggestion that games will be £70 in the UK?
VFXVeteran
Banned
I'm not comparing CG brute force to these games. But I am comparing brute force rendering in realtime to these games. If the requirement is that a current game looks better than the previous and should therefore be considered "next-gen" well then we have a LOT of those games out now. What was left out in the previous R&C on the PS4 version? Was it textures, better lighting? Better materials? What? Can we add the PC into the fray and say that nearly every single PC 3rd party game in current gen looks better than it's console equivalents and therefore claim that we have had next-gen graphics years ago? What's the criteria? I'm going to make a thread on this very topic.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
'Something unique' is definitely not a requirement to look good.
Computationally intensive? Its a side effect, not a requirement.
If you will approach it as game player instead of developer, I think you will be able to enjoy the finer things better.
Erm I'm not some kind of Sony loyalist.
I'll get a PS5 cos right now it's looking vastly better than the Xbox, just like I got a PS4 because it was vastly better than the Xbox One.
But before that I bought Xboxes before Playstations.