ByWatterson
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It'll be on PS6, if that's what you mean.
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Will GTA6 be cross gen? Place your bets now!
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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How does releasing it on those old systems NOT put a hard limit on what the game's capable of?
Perrott
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Uhhh... GTA V is 60fps on the PS5 and Series X, and it even has a separate 60fps mode with RT enabled. If you meant RDR2, sure, that title's next-gen update was unfortunately cancelled, which was very lame of Rockstar, I agree.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DanielG165
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No, as it wouldn’t make sense. Just think about it for a moment: GTA 6, the multi million dollar project from Rockstar that’ll release sometime next year in the period where most new games releasing now are current gen only… Yet Rockstar will release their game to the last generation consoles?
Was RDR2 on Xbox 360 and PS3? No. The same thing will apply here. Now, will Rockstar release different editions of GTA 6 across the current generation machines, and the next generation consoles to milk it for all it’s worth? Most likely.
Was RDR2 on Xbox 360 and PS3? No. The same thing will apply here. Now, will Rockstar release different editions of GTA 6 across the current generation machines, and the next generation consoles to milk it for all it’s worth? Most likely.
rodrigolfp
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Why would it push so much? RDR2 runs at native 4k on XB1X, so RDR2 didn't push the CPU.
ChoosableOne
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My Switch is ready.
ComputerBlue
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Unfortunately, probably.
Vlodril
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Well let's face it the difference between ps2 and ps3 was a lot bigger than it is for ps4 and ps5. I would love it for it be next gen only don't get me wrong. We ll see.
GymWolf
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Because gta6 is gonna be in a modern city, so way more cars and npcs to simulate (and cars are way harder to simulate compared to horses for a number of reasons between sheer numbers, real time damage system, IA going crazy and causing incidents when chaos happen, all the destructible objects that you expect to be destroyed by a car, traffic IA interacting with a lot of npcs on the streets etc.)
Spidey 2\morales needed the ps5 hardware to noticeably upgrade the number of cars and npcs on the streets, and those games doesn't even remotely come close to what gta6 is gonna do in term of interactions, ia and shit for cars and npcs.
(if you played those games you know how simple and basic the simulation for cars and npcs is)
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
That can be 10x or more less simulated on PS4/XB1.
GymWolf
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
And how do you already know what GTA 6 will do for all these things?
Omnipunctual Godot
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Yes, I am 100% certain there will be a PS6 version. Take that to the bank.
GymWolf
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Are you not familiar with rockstar games? they always raise the bar for living, breathing worlds.
There is a reason why these games are so hyped even when like i said previously, they are not even that good gameplay wise.
There are certain expectations that you don't have with other games.
Also, if we speak about being superior to spidey 2 city simulation, dude these games have worse city simulation than fucking gta3 or infamous on ps2, they are really not an high bar to surpass.
Cars can't be damaged in spidey, they have basic ass ia, you can't interact with them, npcs is the same, they have basic crouch or run away when danger is close and you have a prompt for a fucking high five or to bring them to an ambulance.
The only thing "impressive" is the number of cars and npcs and that is caused by the ps5 hardware.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
But not in CPU usage.
GymWolf
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I edited my post.
Btw i'm really not sure what your point is.
So you think they can make huge upgrades to rdr2 in a location that by default is way harder to simulate with the same 2012 hardware?
I'm not even specifically talking about cpu alone, the whole package of gpu\ram\cpu\ssd is gonna help the game.
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wvnative
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It won't
ResilientBanana
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It will be cross-gen when the next consoles come out.
Mowcno
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I sure hope so but this is rockstar. It took them over a year to put RDR2 on PC because reasons. I'd like to think that time is over but we'll see...
I mean the latest GTA Online update they just announced has features (wild animals) that are exclusive to console and not on PC so... They do like to randomly screw over PC users still.
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thebigmanjosh
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PS4/5 and XSX/S
delirium trigger
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No way. We're gonna be like 4 years into current gen by release anyway.
Audiophile
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If it was it'd be hamstrung by a ~2011 netbook CPU and high latency mechanical HDD with a guaranteed ~20MB/s of throughput.
This game likely has to last 12yrs, GTA has the longest legs of pretty much any franchise out there and sells well for a long time. We'll also be four years -- or -- half way into the current gen with 80M+ consoles in people's hands. In addition there'll be a new GTAO to rake in the cash. Those above technical limitations would make an immense impact on the QoL/transitions/UX/gameplay possibilities/world-streaming. It'll also likely see PC ports, a PS7/X5 remaster and maybe even a Switch 2 port down the line.
Limiting the game so much for what will probably amount to a few extra percent in profit over the lifecycle of the release would be awful.
You'd also have to take into consideration if the additional workload of just getting it running would offset any reason to release on last gen. The pushback will likely be considerable too and if a lack of major leap just dented sales by a couple percent that'd likely, in-part, offset any reason to do it too.
Finally, if they want to do any RT features as standard, they'd save a lot of work by not having to address certain workloads with raster/baked versions for old platforms.
I just can't see any reason why they would do it. If they do, I think I'm out... even if it was quite good, I'd just know it could've been a lot better when you consider it's the most hyped game ever made, by an extremely technically/artistically talented studios, with a budget 4x anything else and a 10+yr dev cycle. Unless the PS4/X1 version was a massively downgraded, functionally different game...but then this just seems like a massive waste of time, effort, money and manpower for a relatively small return over the product lifecycle.
This game likely has to last 12yrs, GTA has the longest legs of pretty much any franchise out there and sells well for a long time. We'll also be four years -- or -- half way into the current gen with 80M+ consoles in people's hands. In addition there'll be a new GTAO to rake in the cash. Those above technical limitations would make an immense impact on the QoL/transitions/UX/gameplay possibilities/world-streaming. It'll also likely see PC ports, a PS7/X5 remaster and maybe even a Switch 2 port down the line.
Limiting the game so much for what will probably amount to a few extra percent in profit over the lifecycle of the release would be awful.
You'd also have to take into consideration if the additional workload of just getting it running would offset any reason to release on last gen. The pushback will likely be considerable too and if a lack of major leap just dented sales by a couple percent that'd likely, in-part, offset any reason to do it too.
Finally, if they want to do any RT features as standard, they'd save a lot of work by not having to address certain workloads with raster/baked versions for old platforms.
I just can't see any reason why they would do it. If they do, I think I'm out... even if it was quite good, I'd just know it could've been a lot better when you consider it's the most hyped game ever made, by an extremely technically/artistically talented studios, with a budget 4x anything else and a 10+yr dev cycle. Unless the PS4/X1 version was a massively downgraded, functionally different game...but then this just seems like a massive waste of time, effort, money and manpower for a relatively small return over the product lifecycle.
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Rockondevil
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Yes it’ll be cross gen. But with the next gen, not the last gen.
This will be the first game in the history of the medium where the minimum sales expectations will be more than 175 million units. Not a typo. GTA V is at 190 million right now. That is going to take time and in all likelihood sell well, well in into the NEXT hardware cycle. But that initial wave of sales is going to require the PS4 userbase. They'd simply be missing out on too many sales (and by extension, microtransactions) by skipping it. GTA V being the "Dark Side of Moon" (x4) of games meant we never got a game built around the PS4 / Xbox One footprint. Thanks to the Walmart XSX sale, I'd be fine with it just being "current" gen and PC, but I don't see that happening. I don't think Take 2 or anyone else expected these systems to generally be so close to launch MSRP this far into the cycle. Granted, GTA IV and GTA V initial trailers were a full two years ahead of release, but if GTA V spanned three generations, I don't see why GTA VI wouldn't as well. I'd be perfectly fine with being wrong on this, but it just seems like they'd be leaving too much money on the table early on without that enormous PS4 user base.
I think it’ll be Series S/X, PS5 and PC only, I just hope it has crossplay.Let's look at some things:
Last gen is once again being left out of some GTA Online features in an upcoming DLC. Hell, even PC is....which is wild.
Starfield was probably in development around the same time/just as long.
If they want to support Online much better out the gate, it won't be cross gen with last gen.
If Starfield can be current gen only, so can GTA VI.
Last gen is once again being left out of some GTA Online features in an upcoming DLC. Hell, even PC is....which is wild.
Starfield was probably in development around the same time/just as long.
If they want to support Online much better out the gate, it won't be cross gen with last gen.
If Starfield can be current gen only, so can GTA VI.
Portugeezer
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No, the game will sell for 10 years they don't need to worry about old gen.
It would also hamper their vision and be a waste of development time; IIRC the vast majority of new game sales are on new gen consoles, so it seems that even if someone only has an old console they are waiting to get a new gen console.
It would also hamper their vision and be a waste of development time; IIRC the vast majority of new game sales are on new gen consoles, so it seems that even if someone only has an old console they are waiting to get a new gen console.
How many PS5's sold? 50 mil. That's a big chunk of that 120 million. As I said before, there's a reason the vast majority of new game sales are on new gen.
CharmingCharlie
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I imagine it will go like all other GTA titles have gone since GTA 3. It will release on current consoles PS5/Xbox with a release on PC either a year or 2 down the road. It won't be an Epic exclusive, if anything it will be exclusive to their own store (yes even Rockstar have a bloody digital store now). Then a few years down the line when the PS6 and Xbox "yet another stupid name no one can remember" releases they will release an "enhanced" version and discontinue the PS5/Xbox version.
Pipoqueiro
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No, I think it will be next gen only, and should stay on the market for + 11 years
Hugare
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My thoughts exactly, but it will be restricted to 9th gen
It will look like something that could run on last gen machines, but at High/Ultra settings
Will still look better than 90% of other games on the market
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scarlet0pimp
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Please no, but it would not surprise me. They would love to be able to sell it to all the PS4 and switch owners, so might as well throw in the xbox one dudes too.
I hope it's not crossgen though. Would love a gta with a baseline of series s
I hope it's not crossgen though. Would love a gta with a baseline of series s
Men_in_Boxes
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RaySoft
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You should be more spesific in your question. When you say x-gen, You mean lastgen-current gen? Or do you mean PS5, PS6? (current/next-gen) If latter, I would say yes. There is absolutely NO chance of GTA6 on Switch, PS4 and last-gen Xboxes.
With the first trailer coming next week, thought it would be fun to start placing some bets. Next-gen, cross-gen, Switch exclusive, Epic Store timed exclusive, place your bets!
tommib
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Editing now.
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Zero_Karisma
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I think it will be. Really really hope I’m wrong 
FunkMiller
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GTA 6 being cross gen with the old consoles would be a terrible sign for the future of the video games industry.
Of course it will be.
Of course it will be.
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Kerotan
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Rockstar in 2024.