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Sherlock Series 4 |OT| - Did You Miss Me?
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Beaniedude
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I thought for sure it was going to be twins!
But it's never twins!
But it's never twins!
Spieler Eins
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1. Scandal
2. Pilot episode
3. Fall
4. Lying Detective
5. Final Problem
6. Hounds
7. S3 finale
8. S1 finale
unrankable junk: Chinatown, S3 opener, Wedding, S4 opener
Good show overall, but I feel it sadly wasted quite a bit of potential. I'm not sure I'd want another series, especially after we've seen how low the quality can go.
2. Pilot episode
3. Fall
4. Lying Detective
5. Final Problem
6. Hounds
7. S3 finale
8. S1 finale
unrankable junk: Chinatown, S3 opener, Wedding, S4 opener
Good show overall, but I feel it sadly wasted quite a bit of potential. I'm not sure I'd want another series, especially after we've seen how low the quality can go.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Only just realising the significance of "Did you miss me?" to Sherlock.
He literally did miss her from his memory.
He literally did miss her from his memory.
locke_21183
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And miss me = Miss Me = female Holmes
Surprised at the lack of mention about the Ring here. I thought this ep was channeling it pretty hard, what with Eurus design in the prison (white gown and long black hair), all the scenes with her face on the monitor with static, and John ending up in a well where a kid died. Heck, her room is green before the lights turn on.
Yeah the ep was mediocre but the series has on a downward slope since Season 3 so I'm not surprised anymore (didn't like S04E02 that much either except the reveal). Was gonna drop it after this season so I'm glad it (sorta) concludes. That Vox criticism about the portrayal of women in the show and that article about how being smart = being able to literally do magic in this show are pretty spot-on.
Also, poor Molly. After saying all that and she didn't even get a single solitary fucking shot with both her and Sherlock in the frame. Just literally stumble into the final montage like a fucking 17th wheel.
P/S: They still manage to cram in another appearance of Mary in this ep ffs.
Yeah the ep was mediocre but the series has on a downward slope since Season 3 so I'm not surprised anymore (didn't like S04E02 that much either except the reveal). Was gonna drop it after this season so I'm glad it (sorta) concludes. That Vox criticism about the portrayal of women in the show and that article about how being smart = being able to literally do magic in this show are pretty spot-on.
Tbh I thought the twist was that airplane was the Coventry "flight of the dead" from Scandal in Belgravia, the girl was dead all along and Eurus just predicts what Sherlock would ask her and records it beforehand. Quite surprised they went where they did (making the whole airplane imaginary) but I didn't really feel that cheated like I normally do with this kind of twist. Guess I like it on a thematic level, even if the "getting the genius back on the ground" is done to death already.
Also, poor Molly. After saying all that and she didn't even get a single solitary fucking shot with both her and Sherlock in the frame. Just literally stumble into the final montage like a fucking 17th wheel.
P/S: They still manage to cram in another appearance of Mary in this ep ffs.
Vyse The Legend
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5th? This felt like a series finale. The show is done.
I finished watching Sherlock season 4 - episode 4.3 aired yesterday and is available on pbs.org to stream. These recent eps are so filled with strange material that I'm never 100% sure how I feel about them until after a 2nd watch. I'll rewatch all 3 this week, but for now I give these ratings: Ep4.1= 7/10, Ep4.2=8/10, Ep4.3=7.5/10.
I feel the Sherlock people suspect this might be the end of the series, based on the final moments of ep 4.3. I think I'd be fine with that. Although I have enjoyed every episode, the quality of story telling has changed. Starting in season 3, they started to be more and more clever, giving more fan-service moments, mind palaces, zanier moments and conclusions. Take episode 4.3 for example - The Final Problem. Of course, the actual story from Doyle's The Final Problem was handled in episode 2.3 with Moriarty and Sherlock on that roof, the episode entitled The Reichenbach Fall. So, this "Final Problem" was a totally different story, most closely using The Musgrave Ritual from what I picked up. Like all season 4 eps, there were great moments and scenes, but overall my suspension of disbelief has been seriously challenged. Some of what these Holmes family people can do borders on X-men Mutant type of abilities, I'm afraid. And the scenes look gorgeous as they segue to new scenes - but it makes me all the more aware sometimes that I'm watching a filmed show. The cleverness could be dialed back if there is a season 5, with (please) more focus on Holmes, Watson, and a challenging case or two.
I still liked it all though ,but would not mind if this is the end.
I feel the Sherlock people suspect this might be the end of the series, based on the final moments of ep 4.3. I think I'd be fine with that. Although I have enjoyed every episode, the quality of story telling has changed. Starting in season 3, they started to be more and more clever, giving more fan-service moments, mind palaces, zanier moments and conclusions. Take episode 4.3 for example - The Final Problem. Of course, the actual story from Doyle's The Final Problem was handled in episode 2.3 with Moriarty and Sherlock on that roof, the episode entitled The Reichenbach Fall. So, this "Final Problem" was a totally different story, most closely using The Musgrave Ritual from what I picked up. Like all season 4 eps, there were great moments and scenes, but overall my suspension of disbelief has been seriously challenged. Some of what these Holmes family people can do borders on X-men Mutant type of abilities, I'm afraid. And the scenes look gorgeous as they segue to new scenes - but it makes me all the more aware sometimes that I'm watching a filmed show. The cleverness could be dialed back if there is a season 5, with (please) more focus on Holmes, Watson, and a challenging case or two.
I still liked it all though ,but would not mind if this is the end.
Sherlock following in Danganronpa 3's footsteps with its nonsensical brainwashing bullshit.
WhateverItTakes
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I mean
Mycroft was supposed to be dead. Sherlock forcing her to tranq them instead of losing her 'playmate' was him breaking the game.
It reminded me of That 70's Show when Kitty Foreman's dog disappeared for a while and then in a later episode they explain it away with "oh he was hiding under the porch."
I would definitely agree with that. I just didn't buy that part. The idea that Eurus is in control of the whole facility because she brainwashed her guards, and has this elaborate setup planned for Sherlock with the TVs, the coffin, the Moriarty recordings.. it was all just too much. Not to mention the fact that she even went BACK TO THE FACILITY in the first place after she took a vacation to become John's therapist? No. She should have led them on some chase that ended back at the Holmes property.
Helensmith
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Why did Sherlock not remember his sister? Did he deliberately block her out of his mind?
Spieler Eins
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Can't hate on Zero Escape with Sherlock and particularly Mycroft as a lead character. Plus I've accepted that these characters are superheroes now.
Though this was yet another case of Moriarty being a cringe. That cannibal line... like straight from a teenage edgelord. Worst character alongside Mary, don't understand the hype at all.
Though this was yet another case of Moriarty being a cringe. That cannibal line... like straight from a teenage edgelord. Worst character alongside Mary, don't understand the hype at all.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
After watching episode 2 of the fourth series, I proclaimed season 4 to be insufferable shit.
After watching the finale, I stand by my judgement.
After watching the finale, I stand by my judgement.
Last Episode, finished.
Welp....that was...that was a Moffat show finale, all right. Incredible build up to an absolutely unsolvable challenge that's basically handwaved in 5-10 minutes. Halfway through the episode, I couldn't breathe...but then I remembered 'Hold on a tic, this is a Moffat show! It'll all magically go away in the last part' and the tension suddenly deflated.
Uneven season, Cumberbatch sounded more like himself than Sherlock and Freeman looked old and tired. Thank god for Gatiss, the undisputed king of this show.
Welp....that was...that was a Moffat show finale, all right. Incredible build up to an absolutely unsolvable challenge that's basically handwaved in 5-10 minutes. Halfway through the episode, I couldn't breathe...but then I remembered 'Hold on a tic, this is a Moffat show! It'll all magically go away in the last part' and the tension suddenly deflated.
Uneven season, Cumberbatch sounded more like himself than Sherlock and Freeman looked old and tired. Thank god for Gatiss, the undisputed king of this show.
It was a tranquilizer
I liked it. Quite alot.
Though, it kind of undermined Moriarty's intelligence a bit.
The way I took it, with how it was shot with Euros reflection passing into Moriarty, was that she was the mastermind all along.
Essentially planting the idea of Moriarty's great game from The Reichenbach Fall and forward into his mind. Or at the very least manipulate him into it.
Basically all along it's been her setup for Sherlock to find and save her since Season 2.
I just dont like the idea of Jim being manipulated I guess.
Though, it kind of undermined Moriarty's intelligence a bit.
The way I took it, with how it was shot with Euros reflection passing into Moriarty, was that she was the mastermind all along.
Essentially planting the idea of Moriarty's great game from The Reichenbach Fall and forward into his mind. Or at the very least manipulate him into it.
Basically all along it's been her setup for Sherlock to find and save her since Season 2.
I just dont like the idea of Jim being manipulated I guess.
That's not surprising at all. Bar the rather excellent middle episode, this season has been somewhat lacklustre. The whole series took a dive in terms of quality after the second season.
Wait. WTF...
Where is this from?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPUHdGeFhF-/
Alleged After-credits zinger... was not present on Netflix.
Where is this from?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPUHdGeFhF-/
Alleged After-credits zinger... was not present on Netflix.
AHA-Lambda
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I didn't see that on the BBC? =/
It says Masterpiece at the end, so it must've been on PBS. It wasn't on the streaming version that I watched on the PBS app. Wasn't that from one of the older episodes though? I feel like I've seen it before.
Chezzymann
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I think the show just needs to go back to simple episodic mysteries. Moffat just isn't good with convoluted plot stuff, same with doctor who.
Wasn't on BBC when we watched it - we deliberately left it on in case something would be after the credits (we just got a BBC showreel for 2017 shows). It says something about behind the scenes stuff at the beginning, maybe it's from one of those interview things they're releasing all over the place?
Makes more sense to me that they put it after something promoting this episode rather than a future thing (which probably won't happen, definitely not in the near future).
Edit:
Did some digging on that footage.
Seems like it was after the Behind the Scenes bit.Goddamnit. Probably just Scott having some fun.
Ah, yeah, that's what I figured. Wouldn't make much sense otherwise.
Morrigan Stark
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The only good part of the episode is Mrs. Hudson rocking out to Iron Maiden. Wasn't expecting that and I laughed pretty hard. Mrs. Hudson is the best. <3
*eye-roll*
The problem is that they keep upping the ante on exaggerated over-the-top nonsense, and that's why the last episode becomes a self-parody.
B-b-but she's a "genius"
*eye-roll*
The problem isn't so much the logistics of one thing, but when you add everything together. It's ridiculously contrived.
Yeah, I can't disagree with anything here.
Hah, yeah Euros reminded me of Samara. But that's kind of it though...
Not much to disagree there either.
"Zero Escape with Sherlock" and "superheroes" is exactly why this episode is terrible.
The problem is that they keep upping the ante on exaggerated over-the-top nonsense, and that's why the last episode becomes a self-parody.
I didn't even mind Mary that much, but I agree on Moriarty. He's not a good villain. He's just obnoxious and way too mustache-twirling.
VanquishUK
Member
I feel like Sherlock wasn't as smart in the finale that he has been. I guess it's hard to make someone look smarter so they made Sherlock look dumber instead.
Spieler Eins
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"Zero Escape with Sherlock" and "superheroes" is exactly why this episode is terrible.
The problem is that they keep upping the ante on exaggerated over-the-top nonsense, and that's why the last episode becomes a self-parody.
This show jumped the shark with Sherlock saving Irene Adler back in the day. That's what basically established being smart as magic that can do anything. At least this episode did fun things with this universe and somewhat meaningful with Sherlock, from which they didn't bail out like last week or the S3 finale.
She went back to the facility because that was always her plan. Lure the Holmes boys to the island to check and make sure she was still there. Them not knowing the fact that the moment they stepped foot on the island, the whole place was already under her control a long time ago.
We're not sure what Eurus original plan would be after Sherlock either kill John or Mycroft. But with Sherlock turning the table on her by choosing the third option, she had to change her plan by knocking them out and bringing her back to their old home for the finale. Maybe that was her endgame the entire time, she just had to get there differently cause she didn't predict that Sherlock would choose to sacrifice himself.
I means.. this is the guy that at the beginning of the show, wouldn't mind putting someone in danger to prove himself. This just show that throughout 4 years, he learned some compassion and humanity.
Yes, he did
I don't think Moriarty was manipulated, or brainwashed. His plan in Reichenbach Fall, was ultimately to destroy any credibility Sherlock has as a detective and drive him to commit suicide. When that (sorta failed) Moriarty had a contingency plan, a plan he formulated with Eurus years ago. As I explained last page, Eurus said that Moriarty was more interested in causing trouble than being alive. Him killing himself just to fuck with Sherlock after death was worth it.
So I see it more as a collaboration between Eurus and Moriarty than him being brainwashed.
It's kinda clear that after a certain point they've been upping the ante with every new episode. I know people missed the old one off episode where all they did was solved a particular crime. But to me that's like Monster of the week episode with Supernatural. While they might be fun and interesting. It would get old after a while. Having an overarching plot ties it together is better imo. They also kinda have to up the ante, cause after a while people would complain that oh it's just another villain threaten to destroy the world. Etc. What will it be this time? Bomb? Virus?
So yeah, upping the ante will get to ridiculous level at some point. It's just how it is, even with a show like Sherlock.
But mustache swirling and nutty as he is, is why he's so great. We've seen plenty of cold calculating villains. Heck, the Robert Downey Jr. Version of Moriarty was exactly just that.
So it's a bit nice that they managed to give Moriarty a somewhat more flamboyant personality.
Im surprised Mycroft didn't shoot the prison director as he works in and basically runs governments and Intelligence agencies. He should be used to making these kind of calculations all the time. Killing 10 to possibly save 100 would be a no brainer to these agencies, or even killing 100 foreigners to possibly save 10 nationals.
I thought that was an absolutely terrific episode. Gripping throughout, excellent performances and super set design. It was Sherlock meets Arkham.
I really don't understand the criticisms. All this superpower brainwashing stuff is unfounded to me. She didn't have any powers. She was locked away for years without issue and had been cooperating with Mycroft in exchange for gifts - the violin for example. It's only when Moriarty got involved did things mess up. I thought that was clear. It is he who is Sherlock's nemesis and he orchestrated everything.
I really don't understand the criticisms. All this superpower brainwashing stuff is unfounded to me. She didn't have any powers. She was locked away for years without issue and had been cooperating with Mycroft in exchange for gifts - the violin for example. It's only when Moriarty got involved did things mess up. I thought that was clear. It is he who is Sherlock's nemesis and he orchestrated everything.
The Wedding is probably my favorite episode of the series. I did not realize it was so hated.
She apparently talked one of her psychiatrists into a murder-suicide, I'm not sure how you could pin that on her talking to Moriarty. Although that said...I think that I prefer your explanation to the one they gave in the show.
My guess is Mycroft never a actually had to pull the trigger himself. Sure he might have give orders, but never do it with blood on his hands.
I can't remember where it's from. But there was a show or movie where someone has the ability to tell others what to do, and you compell to do it. Like you have to, like there is something bugging you at the back of your mind. Telling you to do it or it won't leave you alone.
I like to imagine Eurus suggestions work in a similar way, she implant a nagging thought into your head that is impossible to ignore.
The Wizard
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Binge watched the entire show in the new year and it was sad to see it's slow descent into rubbishness. None of the attempts at emotional drama really hit when they are so mired in confusing half-baked nonsense. I could certainly tolerate the show being silly as it was part of it's charm but they really drifted so far from what made it great in the first place.
firehawk12
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I do wonder what she would have done if the three didn't survive the grenade blast (which conveniently did nothing to the floor, so they didn't even have to bother with collateral damage).
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