LyleLanley
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Bill Simmons going to HBO
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bodyofanamerican
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Awesome! So, Grantland 2.0.
I wonder if this is separate from the HBO show? I'd imagine it likely is.
LyleLanley
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I'm probably reading too much into this but I assume the waves mean that the focus is going to be on audio/video content.
bodyofanamerican
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Duh, yeah you're probably right. Couple interesting tweets from James Andrew Miller:
Macadinho94
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"Riffs from our writers" indicates there's going to be written content though.
For sure, but the quality and depth of Grantland's writing went way beyond riffs. I'm not expecting this to be Grantland 2.0, maybe more like the respective sports and pop culture blogs that were on that site. Which is fine.
This is totally independent of HBO, right? So he has the content deal with HBO, and this site and the podcast network that he is operating independently, right?
Good for him. We may never see another decent article from him though, which is sad.
Edit: I hadn't seen the other Grantlanders that followed today. Interesting. Particularly Bryan Curtis.
LyleLanley
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Bill Simmons unveils new site's name: The Ringer - CNN
Maybe it will be Grantland 2.0 with even more pop culture.
Maybe it will be Grantland 2.0 with even more pop culture.
bodyofanamerican
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Yep, beat me to it. From Brian Stelter's Twitter acct, this sure sounds like there's going to be a lot of written content:
CastleRybread
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Is Tate really considered a new hire? He's been the producer for all the podcasts since the start.
Much more interested in his website than his show.
Bill has been consistently horrible on television. I don't see that changing by going to HBO.
Wonder if they will be able to make money doing Grantland 2.0. I have no idea how people make money online though so I have no opinion or thoughts about their chances.
Grantland did have a lot of great content so hopefully they can continue that.
Bill has been consistently horrible on television. I don't see that changing by going to HBO.
Wonder if they will be able to make money doing Grantland 2.0. I have no idea how people make money online though so I have no opinion or thoughts about their chances.
Grantland did have a lot of great content so hopefully they can continue that.
bodyofanamerican
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Probably just confirming that he's going to be a full-time part of the Ringer vs. a PA they had for the podcasts.
diffusionx
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It doesn't seem like they are going to be writing a lot of about sports, and are putting more focus on culture with a former Glamour editor.
Hasphat'sAnts
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The culture writing at GL was always stronger than their sports writing tbh
They had Keri, Barnwell, and Lowe. (and Rany occasionally).
I will cut you for that level of heresy.
Give Tate his own pod.
Amanda's been quite good with Juliet so I have no problem with this.
He's the only one missing out of the Watch the Thrones crew.
LyleLanley
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I would disagree.
slightconfuse
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#FREE LOWE
bodyofanamerican
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Let's keep it real, his writing was always kinda meh, but his Twitter feed is a national treasure.
LyleLanley
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His writing wasn't always great but I always found his stuff to be fun to read. His Twitter account is amazing though.
bodyofanamerican
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Yeah, "meh" was a little strong there, haha. I loved that pieces about MGSV and Arkham Knight were being featured on GL.
Hasphat'sAnts
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They had Keri, Barnwell, and Lowe. (and Rany occasionally).
I will cut you for that level of heresy.
I can find writers of comparable quality to those guys at other pubs. Not as good, but comparable.
Wesley Morris though? Cmon son
And when you do find them, they look like garbage (at least on desktop), unless you Instapaper them. I hate reading anything at their site. Grantland was designed so much better.
CastleRybread
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They now put barnwell and Lowe on the front page since they killed grantland.
Both also will tweet links to what they wrote.
diffusionx
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Disagree, I found their pop culture stuff mostly vapid. Rembert Browne, no thanks. Loved Girls with Hoodies though. Meanwhile he brought on some of the best young sportswriters.
But, it's fine, as long as Simmons keeps podcasting about sports I'll take it.
Lowe is the best sports writer out there IMO. The guy always drops knowledge and knows basketball inside out. I love reading his stuff
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Hasphat'sAnts
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Really, never heard of the Football Outsider guys? Or the gawd Lee Jenkins at SI? How about Tom Ziller at SBNation and Howard Beck at BR? People writing at MMQB not named Peter King?
They're all very very good.
TangoAlphaLima
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Which isn't accurate at all, because he loved ESPN when they gave him everything he wanted. It's this current regime that Bill doesn't like.
Even when they were letting him run free content-wise, he wasn't happy with how they were(n't) monetizing the site, podcasts, etc.
Morris is the outlier though, he was only ever working for Simmons, and he's back in NY doing his thing. Some of Rembert's stuff was good, though it feels like he dropped a level near the end.
They're good - no doubt; but
a) several of the FO folks ended up writing for Grantland / ESPN in many fashions (A lot of Schatz / Verhei stuff ended up on ESPN), and I'd take Chris Brown over any of the FO guys.
b) Barnwell > Schatz / Verhei / etc, Mays is now on MMQB (ex-Grantlander), and Lowe > Jenkins for consistent output. (the Jenkins article on LeBron was so good though).
Hasphat'sAnts
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He's writing a book.
Nameless
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He's writing a book about TV, so he only contributes to the podcast network.
TangoAlphaLima
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True, he has been beating that drum lately, but I feel like that was never a big concern back when things were going well.
I love Bill's work, have followed him since the early Page 2 days, but he comes off like a petulant child at times. I'm not siding with ESPN on their split, I think ESPN screwed up a ton, but Bill is totally playing the martyr here.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Again, the level of thought and discourse occurring at these other places are very much comparable.
Don't see anybody write them Pappademas level Obits though. As morbid as it sounds.
There's only so much Deflate-Gate whining I can take.
Still would easily take Lowe over any of those mentioned for bball. Football stuff I admit ignorance. Don't read a ton of football writers.
But I guess it's true, the sports stuff from Grantland is being done elsewhere somewhat with those guys still having columns. Trying to find stuff similar to Grantland's entertainment writing has been more difficult.
The real sadness for me though is that they can't be on the podcast. Lowe Post is solid but he and Bill were amazing on pods.
But I guess it's true, the sports stuff from Grantland is being done elsewhere somewhat with those guys still having columns. Trying to find stuff similar to Grantland's entertainment writing has been more difficult.
The real sadness for me though is that they can't be on the podcast. Lowe Post is solid but he and Bill were amazing on pods.
As I understand it, Grantland was losing money and Simmons' was frustrated that they were basically allowing the site to fail by blocking any kind of monetization.
slightconfuse
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JackO is on today's pod talking about the election should,be great
bodyofanamerican
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So Bill pretty much confirms on the pod today that The Ringer is his own media company. Interesting!
Eh, I think Barnwell and Lowe are just a tier above the other FO writers / Woj / Jenkins / SI.
Amen on the deflategate whining - the one thing I miss about Bill being on ESPN is that occasionally Barnwell would keep him in check, and Lowe would flat out call him out every time he said something super homer-y / stupid about the NBA. The trade pod on Monday was full of so many "The Celtics get Kevin Love for this pupu platter!" trades that someone needed to smack him and tell him to pull his ass out of his head.
Ninja Scooter
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I hope he starts his own version of 30 for 30 and uses his WWE connections to finally make that Andre the Giant doc he's always wanted to see made.
GitarooMan
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The lack of Grantland has definitely left a hole in my daily reading, such a great site. I basically now google "Zach Lowe" to find his latest article, since ESPN buries most of the good content who knows where on its page.
Seems like Jonah Keri will be up and running on SI soon, so that's good.
Hopefully the Ringer brings some great new sports writing to the fold. I hope Simmons can get some more great NBA content.
Seems like Jonah Keri will be up and running on SI soon, so that's good.
Hopefully the Ringer brings some great new sports writing to the fold. I hope Simmons can get some more great NBA content.
Hasphat'sAnts
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That Robert Smigel interview was great. Especially the Star Wars Spock F word sign anecdote. I feel like since Simmons hangs with comics like Kimmel (blech) and Carolla (blech!) and Jeff Ross (ARGGLE *BARF NOISE*) he defaults to that "EVERYTHING IS TOO PC" stance almost immediately every time. Nice to see smart guys like Smigel having a different view on the issue.
It's the same with what Louis CK's said lately about his old F word routine._
O and JackO delivers the goods per usual.
It's the same with what Louis CK's said lately about his old F word routine._
O and JackO delivers the goods per usual.
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