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Asus 9" Windows tablet look really sweet. I wonder if keyboard is included.
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CES la vie - Consumer Electronics Show 2015 (Jan 6-9)
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Its weird seeing all this QD hype. I'd trade the QDs in my TV for OLED blacks anyday.
QDs were nice in Sony W900, but in no way do they approach OLED, not a full array backlight plus QD would Id wager.
OLED has made LG the only viable player in the game right now IMO. No other company is worth supporting more as they will be the ones to make OLED succeed as every other company has abandoned ship.
4K on new OLED will mitigate SDE and new quad processors will make the Web-OS platform actually viable. If LG does not cheap out on the video processor, the perfect TV will be out this year.
OLED has made LG the only viable player in the game right now IMO. No other company is worth supporting more as they will be the ones to make OLED succeed as every other company has abandoned ship.
4K on new OLED will mitigate SDE and new quad processors will make the Web-OS platform actually viable. If LG does not cheap out on the video processor, the perfect TV will be out this year.
Lord Error
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I have no idea what you've seen, but the 9300 LG OLED completely shames any other TV I've seen. Yeah, it's not 4K, but honestly who cares when anything I'd watch on it would be 1080p anyway, and the picture quality is much better than similarly priced 4K TVs. Besides, I think the next wave of their OLEDs will all be 4K at current prices anyway, preserving all the other qualities they already have (LG already has 4K OLEDs on sale, but they're stupidly expensive 65" sets)
Not in my best buy. Seeing it demoed I was *this* close to spending $3000 on a freaking TV set. Probably would have got it if I didn't know they're expanding the production which would mean they must get cheaper soon.
a secret-boss
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so any Ultra Wide tv that's not PC monitor
It's been revealed that LG's OLED demo stations at Best Buy are using USB thumb drives for their video demos. Apparently it's highly compressed resulting in the sub-par image quality.
That sub should be part of the sound bar that was being offered for free with the 55" OLED. Not sure if your local store is set up like mine. But I do have to redo the USB drive every few weeks because it gets corrupted. The OLED demos look great on the 4K LG next to it. The 4K demos obviously wouldn't play on the OLED though.
Yes, that content was terrible.
That said, me, CrankyJay, and our boss had them demo a BD (Avengers). It still was horrific looking. So at least in some stores, they are calibrated horrendously. There were also some serious bugs evident in the firmware.
Ive seen Blu0ray content on it, properly calibrated, and it looks beyond stunning. The depth, color, contrast, etc, is unrivaled by anything Ive ever seen.
Utterly shames the Sony X950B, making it looks like a dog turd.
If they can fix the motion hiccups...fuck
The problem with comparing Sony's W900A versus new QD is: 1) There was no content that took advantage of the expanded gamut and bit-depth 2) Now that there is content, the new displays have evolved to actually take advantage of UHD.
This is absolutely true. It is unmatched in color and contrast. Only thing the 9300 I can see people say "doesn't look as good" is due to them being 4' away from it on display in which the 4ks will instantly look sharper.
The 9300 is the real deal. I hope the cost comes down and the new processor helps out with that shit webOS they use. Maybe the 2.0 version is better as well.
Maybe I'll be retiring my ST this year.
I think I just found my next laptop. The Lenovo LaVie Z. The world's lightest laptop.
Comes with the latest Broadwell Core i5 & i7 chips, not the Core M Fanless chips.
Some weight comparisons, its pretty insane how light they are:
Lenovo LaVie Z Laptop (13 inch) - 1.72 lbs
Lenovo LaVie Z Convertible (13 inch) (with Touchscreen) - 2.04 lbs
Surface Pro 3 (without cover) - 1.76 lbs
Surface Pro 3 (with Type cover) - 2.45 lbs
Macbook Air (11 inch) - 2.38 lbs
Macbook Air (13 inch) - 2.96 lbs
iPad 4th Gen - 1.44 lbs
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7490411/lenovo-lavie-z-notebook-announced-at-ces-2015
Comes with the latest Broadwell Core i5 & i7 chips, not the Core M Fanless chips.
Some weight comparisons, its pretty insane how light they are:
Lenovo LaVie Z Laptop (13 inch) - 1.72 lbs
Lenovo LaVie Z Convertible (13 inch) (with Touchscreen) - 2.04 lbs
Surface Pro 3 (without cover) - 1.76 lbs
Surface Pro 3 (with Type cover) - 2.45 lbs
Macbook Air (11 inch) - 2.38 lbs
Macbook Air (13 inch) - 2.96 lbs
iPad 4th Gen - 1.44 lbs
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7490411/lenovo-lavie-z-notebook-announced-at-ces-2015
Oh I believe it. That's why I always say to go by professional calibrator reviews and reviews by people who at least have had it professionally calibrated. Look at they objective measurements.
I personally just purchased a Samsung 60F8500 because with the above criteria, it rivals the 9300 in overall image quality, but was significantly cheaper Plus, it doesn't have some of the bugs the 9300 exhibits (the motion problems being REALLY significant).
UHD is still early. No technology has been demonstrated to fully take advantage of it, and in some notable respects ... OLED looks to be behind QD. That tells me all of it needs some time in the oven.
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I've never calibrated a TV. I wouldn't know where to start. Is each specific TV unique, or can you copy settings on a per-model basis?
every TV is different, as is every room. To get the best picture possible, you can't just copy paste settings from TV to TV
There can be some variance, but with current flat panel technology it's a pretty small amount. So generally, you can go by model as a starting point ... but ...
... your room actually impacts your settings, potentially by a fair amount. And it's particularly annoying because unlike with audio, lighting conditions vary a lot in a given room based on time-of-day and activity. Granted room acoustics have a larger variance, but with video it's generally more of a moving target.
That's why most people do a day and night calibration (plus separate cals for 3D if they use it).
Find some general specs online and tune the picture from there to your tastes. Everyone has their own taste with color/white temps for example.
Or you can buy one of those personal calibration kits (camera/software) from NewEgg or other retailers.
Doc Holliday
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Woah! Toshiba just announced Wacom enabled Encores for less than 400 bucks. 2048 pressure sensitivity. Of course they have atoms instead of higher end intels, but still not bad for a 10 inch model.
Yup, just the fact they made a huge deal about how thin their newer sets were shows they are once again committed to pushing mediocrity. And still only 4:2:0 on their HDMI ports? For shame.
ThoseDeafMutes,
Just to note, using a 'calibration' disc or video processor with test patterns really shouldn't be called calibration. That's kind of a misnomer. You are only hitting the user settings and changing things by eye. It should really be called setting up your TV.
A calibration (like if you hire an ISF calibrator) involves using actual test equipment as well as going into the service menu which in most TV's allows far more manual adjustments (with the disadvantage of you being able to literally break your TV if you don't know what you're doing).
One should get a Blue Ray settings disk with test patterns to accurately set your brightness, contrast, etc. There are many out there, but if you want to only get one ... Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics is a nice disc because it comes with a physical card containing R, G, and B cellophane speced for Rec 709. That way you can at least take a decent stab at setting the color without a colorimeter.
Just to note, using a 'calibration' disc or video processor with test patterns really shouldn't be called calibration. That's kind of a misnomer. You are only hitting the user settings and changing things by eye. It should really be called setting up your TV.
A calibration (like if you hire an ISF calibrator) involves using actual test equipment as well as going into the service menu which in most TV's allows far more manual adjustments (with the disadvantage of you being able to literally break your TV if you don't know what you're doing).
At a minimum, I'd add a step in between finding specs online as a starting point, and tuning the picture to your taste.
One should get a Blue Ray settings disk with test patterns to accurately set your brightness, contrast, etc. There are many out there, but if you want to only get one ... Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics is a nice disc because it comes with a physical card containing R, G, and B cellophane speced for Rec 709. That way you can at least take a decent stab at setting the color without a colorimeter.
Yeah seems so. However I'll wait for actual objective testing with cal equipment. No way to know how they perform, particularly when we don't even have specs.
Hmmm ... where is this chroma sub-sampling info coming from? Anyone got a link?
I can't see 3D so I don't care much about VR content and the like, but it did seem kinda lazy :/
No idea, maybe the PS4 sold number broke GAF momentarily.
Posted on the previous page:
Just select a model -> Specifications
For the XBR-75X910C
Yuck.
That said, what's the timeline for 4K60 content production? Or I should ask, what is supported at 30fps and less? Is it 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 then?
Until we have a better handle on what level of UHD will actually have widespread support, it's unclear whether this is a significant factor. We haven't seen any indication of high framerate content from movie or TV studios.
a secret-boss
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Any windows tablet with pen announcement
I know Toshiba and LG has one
I know Toshiba and LG has one
Well, right now if you count connecting a computer for use with the television. Possibly sooner than later if television stations, especially sports stations, such as ESPN go for 4K.
It should be somewhere along these lines:
I think I just found my next laptop. The Lenovo LaVie Z. The world's lightest laptop.
Comes with the latest Broadwell Core i5 & i7 chips, not the Core M Fanless chips.
Some weight comparisons, its pretty insane how light they are:
Lenovo LaVie Z Laptop (13 inch) - 1.72 lbs
Lenovo LaVie Z Convertible (13 inch) (with Touchscreen) - 2.04 lbs
Surface Pro 3 (without cover) - 1.76 lbs
Surface Pro 3 (with Type cover) - 2.45 lbs
Macbook Air (11 inch) - 2.38 lbs
Macbook Air (13 inch) - 2.96 lbs
iPad 4th Gen - 1.44 lbs
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7490411/lenovo-lavie-z-notebook-announced-at-ces-2015
I'll probably replace my MBA with the regular Z too. Haven't been impressed with Apple's offering the past years.
edit: I'll be pissed if only the convertible is upgradable to an i7 or 8gb of ram... I don't want or need a windows tablet/convertible.
Phat Michael
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you google D-NICE's settings on AVS Forum as a starting point, then adjust as per your preferences from there.
Acers Aspire R 13 will get an update with Broadwell processors and pen support.
Edit: Wait, did you mix up LG and Lenovo?
Sadly yes. Kind of lame that so many tech blogs mentioned Xperia devices in their 'what to expect at CES' articles. You'd hope they didn't just pull stuff out of their arse.
Well the MWC is early march. What are the chances of a Z4 device releasing before may? Probably not too far away from zero :/
a secret-boss
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Yeah my bad lenovo
acer won't be bad.
The new Intel chip sounding better than. Did Asus announced anything?
I still can't wrap my head around whether or not I'm actually getting 4:4:4 from my 970 connected to my W800 via HDMI.
Dell's new XPS 13 is fucking sexy as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OwWgpNRIKc
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/6/7501385/dell-xps-13-2015-edition-announced-at-ces-2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OwWgpNRIKc
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/6/7501385/dell-xps-13-2015-edition-announced-at-ces-2015
Well I was eyeing the Lenovo but then did some digging and found out that the foldable one is the only one getting the bigger battery and i7/8gb of ram. That's old news now though, this has taken it's place!
PlayALLtheGames
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Did Lenovo really name their laptop LaVie? Jesus Christ. I love Lenovo but what is this shit?
zephervack
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DAT bezel, I cant wait for bezel less future
Wiktor
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It's a japanese brand for both Lenovo and Sanyo, they only now are expanding it outside Japan.
I was torn at first, but Lenovo being stupid about which model gets which updates pushed me towards the Dell.
It does kinda depend on how expensive the Dell is though, and when my Macbook finally dies.
Cheapest way is buy some a disc with a THX optimizer and these glasses.
It's easy, any idiot can do it. Just follow the steps and match the colors.
ComputerMKII
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Holy shitI think I just found my next laptop. The Lenovo LaVie Z. The world's lightest laptop.
Comes with the latest Broadwell Core i5 & i7 chips, not the Core M Fanless chips.
Some weight comparisons, its pretty insane how light they are:
Lenovo LaVie Z Laptop (13 inch) - 1.72 lbs
Lenovo LaVie Z Convertible (13 inch) (with Touchscreen) - 2.04 lbs
Surface Pro 3 (without cover) - 1.76 lbs
Surface Pro 3 (with Type cover) - 2.45 lbs
Macbook Air (11 inch) - 2.38 lbs
Macbook Air (13 inch) - 2.96 lbs
iPad 4th Gen - 1.44 lbs
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7490411/lenovo-lavie-z-notebook-announced-at-ces-2015
I'm waiting for Apple to show off their 12" Retina Macbook Air before I make a laptop purchase decision. The Dell is very tempting at first glance though, even at the price.
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