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[Panajev2001a]

The plot thickens.

Either way, 30 gives twice as much time to construct each frame. Why offer the mode if not prepared to maximise that potential.

And for some things, think CPU overhead, more than twice the time as some parts of the pipeline are constant (input handling).

Great review NXGamer , as usual !

 

[SkylineRKR]

1440p/60/RT is perfect. I don't give a shit about native 4k, can't see a difference anyway.

 

[HAL-01]

My bad then seemed it was quoted like it was. Dont want to be spoiling the game looking at to many videos, has anyone commented on the RT performance and any cuts apart from the resolution?

Yongyea did some comparison shots and said he couldn’t spot any noticeable differences, DF is working on a video about it that may come tomorrow

 

[kyliethicc]

My bad then seemed it was quoted like it was. Dont want to be spoiling the game looking at to many videos, has anyone commented on the RT performance and any cuts apart from the resolution?

Yongyea did some comparison shots and said he couldn’t spot any noticeable differences, DF is working on a video about it that may come tomorrow

Here's all 3 modes to compare.

Guess which is which.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

Here's all 3 modes to compare.

Guess which is which.

Guessing but
Performance RT
Quality
Performance

Edit: Oops Quality on top then Perf RT 2nd

 

[HAL-01]

Here's all 3 modes to compare.

Guess which is which.

I honestly thought you were joking and this was just the same picture

I do spot a difference in the rt on the ship’s window. First one is fidelity, second performance rt, last is performance ( cube map)
I’m curious what’s making both rt modes look different, there’s no reason why they would reduce the brightness of the sky in the bvh, perhaps it’s a different shader on the window

 

[Kangx]

I honestly thought you were joking and this was just the same picture

I do spot a difference in the rt on the ship’s window. First one is fidelity, second performance rt, last is performance ( cube map)
I’m curious what’s making both rt modes look different, there’s no reason why they would reduce the brightness of the sky in the bvh, perhaps it’s a different shader on the window

So, Performance RT does scale back on lightning. Look at Rivet Goggles in the second pic. I have seen yongjie side by side comparison, no major differences except for resolution. I guess we have to wait for DF comparison.

 

[mansoor1980]

Here's all 3 modes to compare.

Guess which is which.

 

[Thief1987]

So, Performance RT does scale back on lightning. Look at Rivet Goggles in the second pic.

She is in slightly different position comparing to 1st and 3rd screenshot, maybe goggles just doesn't catching light there.

 

[Hunnybun]

Default is 30FPS fidelity mode. Like every game. Its also what they use to sell the game in trailers, State of Play, etc... Because it looks better. Way better. Most will play it like that. Its only on the internet where framerate is seen as more important than graphics. No where else. Most people dont give a shit about framerate. Graphics win all day.

Its a fact. Thats why they use the fidelity mode to sell the game. Trailers, state of play, all screenshots... Its all fidelity mode. Graphics are factually more important than framerate for most gamers.

Ray Tracing is what was used to hype up next gen. Not framerate.

You have literally zero idea whether any of that is true.

I'd tend to agree that most casual gamers will play fidelity mode, but only cos that's the default.

If they were actually given an unbiased choice between the modes, with a demo of each, I'm sure the vast majority would choose frame rate, because it looks SO much better. The difference is immediately obvious. The idea that the benefit is just for tech geeks is laughable: exactly the reverse is true. It's 4k (and even to some extent RT) that requires obsessive preoccupation with TINY differences in clarity, the sort where you have to pause the game and examine the screen up close etc.

And yeah, I find it fucking baffling that companies continue to market the 30fps versions in their pre-release media. Especially because they're on shitty Youtube videos that can't display the clarity even if they were watched in 4k - which they almost never are. They'd be way better off showing 60fps, which does at least come through well on compressed videos. Just because Sony continues to do it doesn't mean they're right.

 

[kyliethicc]

Guessing but
Performance RT
Quality
Performance

Edit: Oops Quality on top then Perf RT 2nd

I honestly thought you were joking and this was just the same picture

I do spot a difference in the rt on the ship’s window. First one is fidelity, second performance rt, last is performance ( cube map)
I’m curious what’s making both rt modes look different, there’s no reason why they would reduce the brightness of the sky in the bvh, perhaps it’s a different shader on the window

Yup. Top is 30, 60 is bottom. 60 RT is middle.

30 mode is basically native 4K + RT.
60 mode is around 1800p but not RT.
60 RT mode is around 1440p + RT.
All 3 modes are then upscaled to 4K.

Inspecting the pics closely, we can see differences. But the 60+RT mode is pretty similar to the 30+RT, so everyone wins. And they will all look pretty similar in motion when playing.

 

[Kangx]

She is in slightly different position comparing to 1st and 3rd screenshot, maybe googles just doesn't catching light there.

Maybe, but the performance RT mode did mention scale back on advance lighting. I figure this would be the case. And if you want to do frame to frame comparison for different graphic modes, then why would you move Rivet at all, but it seem Rivet did moves. What the heck.

 

[sinnergy]

30 frames next gen gaming ftw

 

[Kangx]

30 frames next gen gaming ftw

Go troll somewhere else.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

IGN has become much more professional with the great addition of NXGamer . What a wonderful video. I'm also amazed by the Performance RT image quality after some BS FUD by salty haters.

Friday can't come fast enough!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Stop comparing games to pixar. It's embarrassing

 

[assurdum]

30 frames next gen gaming ftw

Will be a very tough generation for you

 

[Moonjt9]

Judging by those screens, seems like maybe ambient occlusion and shadows are just a tad better but hardly going to be very noticeable during play. Performance RT looks like the way to go!

 

[nekrik]

As is saw yesterday in a side by side comparison video on Youtube there seems also to be a difference in the amount and fidelity of fur strands, between fidelity and RTperformance modes. Just like in Miles Moralles hair

 

[Bo_Hazem]

what trump card? i don't even know what you are talking about. i'm not even from the USA. you may be going insane.

now stop derailing the thread and if you envy my successful life let me know by PM next time.

Trump card isn't about Donald Trump though:

noun

1. (in bridge, whist, and similar card games) a playing card of the suit chosen to rank above the others, which can win a trick where a card of a different suit has been led.
   "declarer ruffs the opening lead and plays a trump"
   
   verb
   
   1.
   (in bridge, whist, and similar card games) play a trump on (a card of another suit).
   "why on earth did you trump my ace?"
   
   1. 2.
      surpass (something) by saying or doing something better.
      "taste trumps most if not all other factors when consumers choose food products"

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I actually don’t. It’s confusing to me

Sony as a corporation with insane experience, holding one of the biggest movie/series publishers (Sony Pictures) and one of the best VFX makers that assist outside studios as well like Disney (+Marvel), WB and others (Sony Pictures Imageworks). Also they are the biggest in imaging technology (alpha, CineAlta, imaging sensors). Sony Music as well is one of the biggest in their sector. They make some of the best sound systems and technologies, they have the most accurate colored and best upscaling and processing systems in TV's, they have reference monitors that cost beyond $30K.

Above all of that, Sony gives time, generous money and support to the studios to flourish. You can see Sumo studio with Crackdown 3 and Sackboy, same studio but different outcomes. Also They have dedicated studio for mocaps and other necessary tech for all first party games and first party studios to share.

As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[DiscoDave]

Here's all 3 modes to compare.

Guess which is which.

Sorry I can't, as i can't zoom 400%. Also the other pictures that was just performance mode, that I thought was quoted performance RT, is a big difference. Not saying it looks like shit by any means just there is a noticeable difference that probably tells you how good the RT quality mode is.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Back on topic, I don't have a PS5 currently but would anyone recommend Ratchet and Clank PS4? I never really got far into that game. Is it worth finishing

It's not one of the best Ratchet games but I did enjoy my time with it. The movie tie in does seem odd in places but it's still fun to play. I got the platinum BTW and it's not a difficult one to get.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Here's all 3 modes to compare.

Guess which is which.

The goggles and the reflective part of the ship.

 

[3liteDragon]

Yup. Top is 30, 60 is bottom. 60 RT is middle.

30 mode is basically native 4K + RT.
60 mode is around 1800p but not RT.
60 RT mode is around 1440p + RT.
All 3 modes are then upscaled to 4K.

Inspecting the pics closely, we can see differences. But the 60+RT mode is pretty similar to the 30+RT, so everyone wins. And they will all look pretty similar in motion when playing.

Anyone know what resolution the reflections are in performance RT mode?

 

[kyliethicc]

Sorry I can't, as i can't zoom 400%. Also the other pictures that was just performance mode, that I thought was quoted performance RT, is a big difference. Not saying it looks like shit by any means just there is a noticeable difference that probably tells you how good the RT quality mode is.

The top pic is 30 + RT. The middle is 60 + RT. Bottom pic is 60.

Anyone know what resolution the reflections are in performance RT mode?

Nah, but DF are doing an entire second video on the 60 RT mode. They'll probably just have Alex do his usual 800% zooms and say its all shit compared to Minecraft RTX, lol.. but we'll see. NX Gamer may do a follow up vid later on too, idk.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Nah, but DF are doing an entire second video on the 60 RT mode.

There's definitely a difference between the reflections in the top two pics. I'm not sure what it is but they don't look the same to me.

 

[systemr123]

Stop comparing games to pixar. It's embarrassing

Yes, it is embarrassing. Pixar movies only play at 24fps pffff.

 

[systemr123]

There's definitely a difference between the reflections in the top two pics. I'm not sure what it is but they don't look the same to me.

It could be the lighting perspective is slightly different. You can see on picture 2 that the glasses and ship reflect less light. They do have the same ray traced reflections otherwise it seems.

 

[DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy]

Went with Xbox this gen but this gives me more hope that 1440p/60fps/RT can be a standard for this gen. Good shit.

 

[Balducci30]

Sony as a corporation with insane experience, holding one of the biggest movie/series publishers (Sony Pictures) and one of the best VFX makers that assist outside studios as well like Disney (+Marvel), WB and others (Sony Pictures Imageworks). Also they are the biggest in imaging technology (alpha, CineAlta, imaging sensors). Sony Music as well is one of the biggest in their sector. They make some of the best sound systems and technologies, they have the most accurate colored and best upscaling and processing systems in TV's, they have reference monitors that cost beyond $30K.

Above all of that, Sony gives time, generous money and support to the studios to flourish. You can see Sumo studio with Crackdown 3 and Sackboy, same studio but different outcomes. Also They have dedicated studio for mocaps and other necessary tech for all first party games and first party studios to share.

As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Ah thank you - this makes sense

 

[Negotiator101]

Here's all 3 modes to compare.

Guess which is which.

Top is 30fps
Middle is 60fps RT
Bottom is 60fps

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Trump card isn't about Donald Trump though:

noun

1. (in bridge, whist, and similar card games) a playing card of the suit chosen to rank above the others, which can win a trick where a card of a different suit has been led.
   "declarer ruffs the opening lead and plays a trump"
   
   verb
   
   1.
   (in bridge, whist, and similar card games) play a trump on (a card of another suit).
   "why on earth did you trump my ace?"
   1. 2.
      surpass (something) by saying or doing something better.
      "taste trumps most if not all other factors when consumers choose food products"

Don't deny reality, he meant the Trump tower.

 

[Putonahappyface]

apparently perf rt

Back to Fidelity mode for me then.

 

[teezzy]

Game looks awesome. Happy for anyone who gets to play

 

[papersleeves]

I think I am actually going to play in fidelity mode for this one. My GF wants to see me play through the game since she likes the platformer genre (I know the series isn't all that much of a platformer but for her there isn't really any difference) and she thinks it looks amazing, like, she believes this is the first game that genuinely looks like CGI. Since she absolutely doesn't care about 60 fps and since I personally am fine with a stable 30 fps with great motion blur, I'll let her watch with the best IQ possible for this grand spectacle

 

[Zimmy68]

Are they asking the $10 lemming tax on this title?

 

[JeloSWE]

There's definitely a difference between the reflections in the top two pics. I'm not sure what it is but they don't look the same to me.

Performance RT seems to lack intensity in the sky's reflection.

 

[VeganElduderino]

another one that is blown away

 

[bargeparty]

Here's all 3 modes to compare.

Guess which is which.

terrible scene choice

 

[Thief1987]

This comparison is also far from ideal, but here you can see some compromises, like reduced air traffic in second scene in RTperf mode, or reduced particles on 4.15 in both perf modes

 

[DeepEnigma]

You even stretched the avi in the second pick to simulate draping.

 

[kyliethicc]

terrible scene choice

Thanks for the great feedback love, but I didn't take the pictures. (The game isn't out yet.)

 

[Shodan09]

It looks spectacular. The kind of quality visuals ONLY made possible by Sony first party and ONLY by the power of PS5. It shits all over every PC game including that lame marbles RTX demo. In fact, Pixar could probably just pack in their rendering farms and use this engine instead.

 

[MasterCornholio]

It looks spectacular. The kind of quality visuals ONLY made possible by Sony first party and ONLY by the power of PS5. It shits all over every PC game including that lame marbles RTX demo. In fact, Pixar could probably just pack in their rendering farms and use this engine instead.

A decent showcase of PS5's power!

So which is it?

Edit:

Look what that got you.

 

[Md Ray]

It looks spectacular. The kind of quality visuals ONLY made possible by Sony first party and ONLY by the power of PS5. It shits all over every PC game including that lame marbles RTX demo. In fact, Pixar could probably just pack in their rendering farms and use this engine instead.

So much salt. Lol.

 

[Kangx]

It looks spectacular. The kind of quality visuals ONLY made possible by Sony first party and ONLY by the power of PS5. It shits all over every PC game including that lame marbles RTX demo. In fact, Pixar could probably just pack in their rendering farms and use this engine instead.

Finally, he go full retard. Never go full retard man. Mod, this the quote from tropic thunder. So he was being passive aggressive, but that did not get him ban. I guess he has enough and post this. What a troll.

 

[Entroyp]

A cleanup was needed already.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Disappointing. looks like it got more cuts than my local hairdresser after lock down ended.

turned out it was comparison to perf mode without rt, perf rt is same as fidelity just lower resolution (tough insomniac has very good upscaling method)

 

[DiscoDave]

turned out it was comparison to perf mode without rt, perf rt is same as fidelity just lower resolution (tough insomniac has very good upscaling method)

Yea was a pretty big hit without the RT, obviously just from the pics I had seen as some scenes may look less noticeable where RT isn't used as heavily. I've seen my son play spiderman in perf RT and it looks great and really cant see why anyone wouldn't play it in perf RT if the method is good.