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Sherlock Series 4 |OT| - Did You Miss Me?
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What? He was a cool guy, I wanted to know more about him. Maybe have him as the last villain of the season. It feels like he deserves more than to be a random one off.
Great scene.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Excellent episode. It definitely made up for the last one.
ShironRedshift
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Great episode--much better than the first.
And nah, the guy's daughter actually wrote the note but the sister somehow got it from her. All she did after that was make sure Sherlock got it and leave a secret message for him in the note which he missed until the end of the episode because of how drugged out he was.
The drug stuff was definitely all real--it was a way for him to confess his crimes with zero actual risk. Like when he was talking to Lestrade at the end and actually wanted to keep going, but Lestrade was tired and said it had to wait, but him going in about how good it feels. The drugs were just his way of meeting his need to confess without actually being caught or anyone remembering anything.
And nah, the guy's daughter actually wrote the note but the sister somehow got it from her. All she did after that was make sure Sherlock got it and leave a secret message for him in the note which he missed until the end of the episode because of how drugged out he was.
bodyofanamerican
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Vox has a not so thrilled, spoiler filled review:
http://www.vox.com/culture/2017/1/8/14207502/sherlock-lying-detective-review-moffat?
http://www.vox.com/culture/2017/1/8/14207502/sherlock-lying-detective-review-moffat?
bodyofanamerican
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Speaking of air times, I'll update the OP, but it seems the finale is 7p next week?
Right? I figured with all the teasing wed get something but damn.
Of course if Harry is a woman Sherrinford would be too in this interpretation.
Also, EVERY FUCKING SCENE WITH MYCROFT IS SCARING ME I KEEP EXPECTING HIM TO DIE SEND HELP.
dead souls
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A+ episode. I wish it was next Sunday.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
That's what I was thinking. When she made an offhand comment about how she got the letter, I instantly thought that she might have used Moriarty to get the original letter and just sat on it until the time was right. There has to be a significance to the passage of time here. Telling the viewer that the letter was written 3 years ago is a pretty big red flag. That detail literally adds nothing to the story...unless the procurement of the letter happened before a certain someone blew their head off.
In the canon we already know who Moriatry's Watson was, and he kinda already showed but definitely NOT canon him, so...
Maybe she got with the actual Mirror Watson and they are both working behind the scenes and
Maybe she got with the actual Mirror Watson and they are both working behind the scenes and
GOD DAMN IT WE NEED A SCARY AS FUCK SEBASTIAN MORAN NOW, HE SHOULD HAVE SHOWN ALREADY
torre_avenue
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Super good, super super super good.
I loved the reveal of Euros, I loved the Culverton story, I loved Nick Hurran's direction on the first half of the episode with the drug-affected cinematography, this was some top-tier Sherlock.
I loved the reveal of Euros, I loved the Culverton story, I loved Nick Hurran's direction on the first half of the episode with the drug-affected cinematography, this was some top-tier Sherlock.
ShironRedshift
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Yeah, like I know that they've been hinting at the idea of there being a third Holmes for a while, but for some reason I thought that they were hinting that that person was dead as a result of circumstances we'd eventually learn about later on. Probably should have seen it coming that that wouldn't be the case, but for whatever reason I didn't at all. They completely got me. Great stuff.
Good episode, much better than last week. It had a strange, dreamlike, disjointed feel like last week but this time it worked to really sell Sherlock's crazy drug haze. Plus the plot worked well by actually keeping up a mystery as to whether the bad guy was truly a cereal killer or not. Then they managed to fit in good Sherlock and Watson relationship development. Basically they hit all the beats well.
I'm just wondering how Moriarty will tie into Euros Holmes because he has to in some way, right?
I'm just wondering how Moriarty will tie into Euros Holmes because he has to in some way, right?
I can't quite tell how
And is
I also really loved
Sherlock's sister is connected to Culverton. Did she recruit him? The other way around? Why did Culverton give her his daughter's note?
And is
Culverton's daughter simply oblivious, tragically forgetting everything her father did after all?
I also really loved
Mary's part in this episode, especially since it provided an inner monologue for how he deduced the ring tone - something which Watson's character wouldn't have really provided an opportunity to speak it out loud like Sherlock. And it was really smart to bring back the idea of Irene - I didn't consider beforehand how she's the exact contrast to Mary's demise.
These are all very solid criticisms.
torre_avenue
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1) She has contacts with the criminal underworld, that's how she knew Culverton.
2) Yeah, the drug worked as planned. She forgot it all, but she did write the note, with the Miss Me? added later.
Succinct Verbosity
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When mycroft said an east wind is coming, did he know what this was all about?
Was probably meant to foreshadow who she is and what her name is
This episode was just superb. Complete 180 from last week.
QuicheFontaine
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Yes, I didn't see anything that would prevent her popping up again as a force ghost, on another "if you're watching this I'm dead" DVD, or just in a flashback.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I mean, I guess at least
? Having twists that are impossible to deduce for the sake of megaton-shocking-twist just feels kind of banal now.
Moriarty isn't back
Palette Swap
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This one was way less impossible to deduce than zombie Moriarty:
- the third sibling was heavily hinted at back in series 3. Of course, everyone thought "brother".
- the abominable bride established we tend to overlook women.
- everyone speculated that that random girl on the bus wasn't that random.
- by the time it's revealed Sherlock didn't meet Faith when he thought he did, it's entirely possible to deduce the person he met and the girl on the bus are one and the same. The note cements the fact that he did meet someone. You could then wonder how or why this person managed to steer clear of Sherlock on CCTV and you'd come to the conclusion that this is someone who doesn't want to be seen with Sherlock, wants to fuck with his head, and is good enough to do so. That this woman knew Moriarty isn't a huge assumption to make.
I'm not saying this was entirely foreseeable, I was 100% surprised, just that it's not random at all, which makes it a really good twist IMO.
I'm kind of curious to see if Redbeard plays into this.
How was this impossible to guess when they say "hiding in plain sight" like 20 times in the episode?
The ep. was a major improvement, mostly Cumberbatch's performance and the camera work. Plus Toby Jones was a delight.
I still hate everything about the direction and motivations of Watson this season. That Vox piece was pretty spot on in that regard.
Really great episode, a lot better than the first one this year. Here are my pros and cons.
Pro:
Pro:
- Funnier and creepier.
- Manic Sherlock is best Sherlock.
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Serial killer plot.
- Toby Jones steals the show.
- Map shenanigans.
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Serial killer plot underdeveloped. Could have been more elaborate.
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Did Sherrington acquire the Faith note from her? Was it made up?
- Meth abuse apparently makes you grow a slight stubble.
- Over-repetition of the
Miss Me video recording.
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If Sherrington is an evil master criminal or psychopath, why did Mycroft have her pencilled in his diary?
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Ghost Mary.
I was ready to give up on this show after three mediocre instalments in a row, but this was more than the redemption I was hoping for, and possibly the best episode of the show to date.
I felt like the ending scene would have been more fitting as a cold open for the next episode. The previous scene was the perfect ending for this episode, and a better place to leave viewers emotionally.
I felt like the ending scene would have been more fitting as a cold open for the next episode. The previous scene was the perfect ending for this episode, and a better place to leave viewers emotionally.
Morrigan Stark
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Sherlock needs to keep that stubble, hot damn... xD
Palette Swap
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Eurus tells Watson she got Faith's note from Culverton, she added the Miss Me part afterwards.
That was really cringy to read, I wonder if there ever will be reviews about movies or TV shows which are about the movies and TV shows again.
Morrigan Stark
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That review is weird. The criticism about female characters might make some sense except... its main criticism is based on this:
You could simply say the same thing about all the male supporting characters. So uh... that particular criticism seems rather paper-thin, especially from a gender perspective. And from a non-gender perspective... well, yes, it's true that Sherlock gets away with everything, suffers no real consequence, is a genius who's always right but that's what the character Sherlock Holmes is all about. Complain to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, not the show. It seems a little silly to complain that a show literally called Sherlock is too much about Sherlock. :S
Well yeah. No shit Sherlock! (Okay that was too easy)
You could simply say the same thing about all the male supporting characters. So uh... that particular criticism seems rather paper-thin, especially from a gender perspective. And from a non-gender perspective... well, yes, it's true that Sherlock gets away with everything, suffers no real consequence, is a genius who's always right but that's what the character Sherlock Holmes is all about. Complain to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, not the show. It seems a little silly to complain that a show literally called Sherlock is too much about Sherlock. :S
Napoleonthechimp
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He wouldn't have been caught without the note but like most serial killers I suppose he wanted to be (caught).
DrDamn
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I enjoyed the first one, apparently I'm in the minority here, the one last night was fantastic though. Couple of points from me ...
The way Mrs Hudson turned up seemed a planned comment on the Sherlock Bond criticisms. I enjoyed that
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Very, very different show but Toby Jones is also excellent in 'The Detectorists'. Recommended.
The way Mrs Hudson turned up seemed a planned comment on the Sherlock Bond criticisms. I enjoyed that
.Very, very different show but Toby Jones is also excellent in 'The Detectorists'. Recommended.
I know they are actors and it's their job and all but damn that last scene between John and ghost Mary where he says he wants to be a better man must have been rough considering they just separated. It's like the whole "I'm so sorry I want to be better please take me back" kind of speech.
Now that was a lot better than the previous episode. It seems to me like episode 1 took a bullet for the greater good to put the series back on track again - it tackled a lot of the critisicm I had last week, so that's great!
I loved the twist at the end (although I kind of saw it coming, but only because in this show you now expect everything to wind up in a twist) and how it tied back to the christmas special. where nobody was suspecting women to be active in the background. Also quite remarkable that an actress could pull off these many roles - the disguises were brillant!
I loved the twist at the end (although I kind of saw it coming, but only because in this show you now expect everything to wind up in a twist) and how it tied back to the christmas special. where nobody was suspecting women to be active in the background. Also quite remarkable that an actress could pull off these many roles - the disguises were brillant!
Exterminieren
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The solution to the whole Euros/Sherrinford dichotomy was spelled out in the episode.
No one ever thinks to count past three.
No one ever thinks to count past three.
It's not so much about Sherlock being the focus, as much as it makes all supporting characters one-dimesional and inconsequential.
Add to that the main character, who is treated as the absolute moral authority, despite being supremely flawed, and all the character motivations and relations just become completely ludicrous. Especially if the main character they all orbit around isn't on screen. See: Watson/Mary this season.
The last show that was this blatant about it was probably fucking Dexter of all things.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
I love the way that was filmed, with each actor close to the edge of the frame, appearing to be close together but they actually weren't. Wonder if they even filmed that bit together.
Fucking amazing, I was on the edge of my seat the whole episode pretty much. Cannot wait for next Sunday!
I never watch these for just this reason, even though I assumed
she'd shot something behind him, perhaps a picture?
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