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Sherlock Series 4 |OT| - Did You Miss Me?
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Obviously not in her room. The riddle wasn't meant to find the location of the well, it was meant to find her. It's really about her being lonely and all that.
The well is just somewhere, doesn't matter where. She told Sherlock after he found her and he got what the riddle really meant.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
So, how Sherlock should be.
AHA-Lambda
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Zomba13
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It'd be a nice change.
It looked like a couple other things dropped with the rope, so presumably blot cutters or a key.
AHA-Lambda
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Yeah I didn't catch that either :/
I think it was along the lines of all the signs were at the edges of where the glass was so just bolted onto the pillars.
KennyLinder
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Didn't really enjoy this series at all. The first 2 episodes felt like an hour of nonsense then 30 mins of quality. This last episode was OK, but I feel the entire formula is old now and I am kinda glad it's all over with.
Feels like they ran out of good ideas for them.
Feels like they ran out of good ideas for them.
Dangerblade
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I was gripped in places, then it just...ended. Very anticlimactic.
But what was Sherlock supposed to do as a kid? Go to her room and ask her? Or acknowledge that she was lonely and help her? Because if it's the latter what does the room have to do with anything. There's no indication that she stayed in her room all the time or anything.
Maybe. First finale to not end on a cliffhanger.
KennyLinder
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I'd like to know why Molly was upset. Another unexplained occurrence this episode.
Quotes from Moffat and Gatiss about a possible series 5:
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017...at-reveal-where-sherlock-could-go-in-series-5
So maybe it's not quite the end.
Who knows what the actors want though. Freeman sounded pretty done in recent interviews. And, of course, their careers are really taking off.
I can see, and kind of like, what they were doing with the emotional arc over all these series. But I can also see people not being into a 4 series long origin story of course.
The thing is, if they do come back, is that all the famous (and best, honestly) cases from the books have already been done. There's some obscure material left to be mined, sure, but most of it has already been used.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017...at-reveal-where-sherlock-could-go-in-series-5
So maybe it's not quite the end.
Who knows what the actors want though. Freeman sounded pretty done in recent interviews. And, of course, their careers are really taking off.
I can see, and kind of like, what they were doing with the emotional arc over all these series. But I can also see people not being into a 4 series long origin story of course.
The thing is, if they do come back, is that all the famous (and best, honestly) cases from the books have already been done. There's some obscure material left to be mined, sure, but most of it has already been used.
Does it end with Sherlock/John deciding to stop investigating murders or something similar?
Palette Swap
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That's rich considering how cheesy that final shot of them running is.
Helensmith
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Or they were suspended from the ceiling, I'm not sure? I was thinking something was off about the glass because there was no reflection and it seemed too clear...
Thats too cheesy, but the slow mo jumping from an explosion, slo mo running at the end, and brain washing secret sister isn't?
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Even that's a major commitment. Probably won't see a new episode until the new decade.
Hey, I didn't write it
. She killed Sherlock's friend, devised a riddle under the pretense that it would tell them what happened to him. Instead, as shown at the end, the poem/song had a secret message about her wanting to be seen and saved from her isolation by Sherlock. She didn't set it up as a decades long mystery - she did it when she killed the kid, Sherlock (or anyone else) couldn't figure out the riddle, she burns down the house. Years later this episode happens, she gets in touch with Sherlock again, and that moment gets relived. It wasn't meant to imply she was hiding im her room all those years, just those two seperate moments (and, of course, the symbolic meaning of it).
And, of course, the point of all this is that over the years, as shown in this series, Sherlock is the only member of the Holmes kids who developed the sense of humanity (thanks to John, Mary, etc) to see the riddle for what it was: not a pirate treasure hunt (see the symbolism in the flashbacks), but a cry for help from a lonely, mentally ill child.
That's what I think at least. I thought it was a bit messy, sure, but again, I didn't write it.
KennyLinder
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The first episode when John was writing his blog, it was a photoshopped image inside a photo editor. You could see the photo editor UI
I enjoyed that episode. Not as good as last week mind.
I kinda enjoyed the Murder Edition of Crystal Maze, but the only scenario that actually hooked me was with Molly. Both out fear for her safety, and the cruel torment that continues with her emotions. I suppose in that respect, the previous rooms did an adequate job of ensuring there was sufficient threat for the scene to work.
Always great seeing more Andrew Scott. I still wish they'd come up with a bullshit excuse to bring back Moriarty...after all, he survived the Reichenbach Fall after ACD decided to bring him back. The Yang to Sherlock's Ying, and the series has always struggled to offer up a good villain since his departure.
Edit; I'm misremembering. ACD brought Sherlock back, though did write another story set before TFP with him in. Either way, I want more Andrew Scott.
I thought the resolution to Eurus' story was a bit flat. However, I actually enjoyed the fact that she was emotionally broken, and her and Sherlock could only maintain a connection through music. The violin scenes were quite touching.
As for the actual ending, I thought it was great. I've always liked Mary, so I found it quite a nice way to potentially wrap it up. A great sentiment that ultimately, the events of the past four seasons have given birth the characters and relationship we've always known. I've always liked the way the way the series jumps across time, leaving it to the viewer to assume there have been other cases in between (and we're told as much, obviously). I don't expect them to ever just show us Sherlock and John solving cases because, and I don't really want that. In one way or another, they've given us the landmarks that make up their relationship.
I dare say, eventually, they'll be back.
I kinda enjoyed the Murder Edition of Crystal Maze, but the only scenario that actually hooked me was with Molly. Both out fear for her safety, and the cruel torment that continues with her emotions. I suppose in that respect, the previous rooms did an adequate job of ensuring there was sufficient threat for the scene to work.
Always great seeing more Andrew Scott. I still wish they'd come up with a bullshit excuse to bring back Moriarty...after all, he survived the Reichenbach Fall after ACD decided to bring him back. The Yang to Sherlock's Ying, and the series has always struggled to offer up a good villain since his departure.
Edit; I'm misremembering. ACD brought Sherlock back, though did write another story set before TFP with him in. Either way, I want more Andrew Scott.
I thought the resolution to Eurus' story was a bit flat. However, I actually enjoyed the fact that she was emotionally broken, and her and Sherlock could only maintain a connection through music. The violin scenes were quite touching.
As for the actual ending, I thought it was great. I've always liked Mary, so I found it quite a nice way to potentially wrap it up. A great sentiment that ultimately, the events of the past four seasons have given birth the characters and relationship we've always known. I've always liked the way the way the series jumps across time, leaving it to the viewer to assume there have been other cases in between (and we're told as much, obviously). I don't expect them to ever just show us Sherlock and John solving cases because, and I don't really want that. In one way or another, they've given us the landmarks that make up their relationship.
I dare say, eventually, they'll be back.
At this point, it just feels mean-spirited.
If your butt-monkey does not deserve the abuse, at some point, you need to actually lay off.
StalkerUKCG
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Of course not it's always been farfetched tumblr shit anyway.
War Peaceman
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Decent parts in this episode but it all felt a bit cobbled together. The basic concept - the sister wanting someone to play with - is very nice but it felt too convoluted. The 999 essie experiments were really good - they put the characters we like in difficult situations. But they bottled it. Then they added ANOTHER layer of trickery onto it at the house. It didn't follow at all.
The sheer concept of Euros planning it in five minutes is so palpably absurd. If they hadn't mentioned it, there would be easy to rationalise but they explicitly reference it.
Plus this episode felt very. There was the very flat and weak looking destruction of 221b - quickly forgotten and later fixed in less than a minute. The shot of John looking out from the island was very odd. The ending scene, corny. Plus ANOTHER Mary video. John's disappearing chains. It had none of the pizzazz of the previous episode.
Also it feels like a series ago that they scared Mycroft in his house but it was the start of the fucking episode. Crazy. Another bad part.
The sheer concept of Euros planning it in five minutes is so palpably absurd. If they hadn't mentioned it, there would be easy to rationalise but they explicitly reference it.
Plus this episode felt very. There was the very flat and weak looking destruction of 221b - quickly forgotten and later fixed in less than a minute. The shot of John looking out from the island was very odd. The ending scene, corny. Plus ANOTHER Mary video. John's disappearing chains. It had none of the pizzazz of the previous episode.
Also it feels like a series ago that they scared Mycroft in his house but it was the start of the fucking episode. Crazy. Another bad part.
They are melting down. It's so beautiful. Not quite as entertaining as the Great Destiel Disaster of 2013, but fun to watch nonetheless. Will they never learn...
War Peaceman
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Have to say these people are losers. Why can't characters just be friends? This was never going to happen and rightly so.
bodyofanamerican
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Are you KIDDING ME? STARTING with the behind the scenes bullshit? 20 minute wait now.
I just find the whole concept of shipping strange.
Its like being really into your friends relationships. Like weirdly into them, analyising everything they do.
bodyofanamerican
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Alright, FINE. I'll watch the feature about Mrs. Hudson and the Aston Martin. Fucking hell, that was brilliant.
tattooed_dwarf
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Very solid episode as always, very enjoyable and I liked how it ended. I confidently wait for at least one series more, and I'm excited to see if they can keep the two just solving crimes or will there be more overarching plot.
War Peaceman
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yeah dude it is airing right now in the USA. I know us brits got to watch it a smidge early but show some decorum and respoiler my post. Just quoting it without any comment with the sole purpose of getting rid of the spoilers seems weird.
Show some decorum and follow the rules set out in the OP:
Par for the course for all TV threads. People are sick of having to scroll through pages that look like bar codes.
DangerMouse
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Watching now.
Cool start.
Cool start.
"Just with a tranquilzer"
LOL Mycroft standing in 221B
LOL, "You have to sit in the chair"
LOL Mycroft standing in 221B
LOL, "You have to sit in the chair"
As a season finale this was pretty good (although a bit messy).
But as a series finale this could possibly be, it was a bit disappointing. Everything was resolved so quick in the end and that ending speech felt so out of place and tacked on.
(Jump away from explosion and the finale shot where also super cheesy but the show already had such moments in the past)
But as a series finale this could possibly be, it was a bit disappointing. Everything was resolved so quick in the end and that ending speech felt so out of place and tacked on.
(Jump away from explosion and the finale shot where also super cheesy but the show already had such moments in the past)
Not sure how I feel about the episode. It sure kept my attention but overall it seemed....convoluted. Sad if it's the end though. Could have used abit more closure.
East coast people don't spoiler tag for people from the West coast. Once it's aired it's fair game, standard procedure.
Awful Falafel
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Holy shit people, stop calling it a series finale. A fifth season was confirmed to happen years ago.
DangerMouse
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Yeah, not really a case, but quite gripping.
LOL this entrance and the music.
LOL this entrance and the music.
It's not confirmed: see that radiotimes interview with the creators above. They'd like to do more but nothing is certain, and they say it's definitely possible this was the last series. Also Martin Freeman has been heavily implying he's done with the part in recent interviews. He doesn't want to play the part for too long and felt this was a nice point to end it on.
That article you linked to is based on a misquote. Mark Gatiss has since explained that they planned out the Christmas special and series 4 at that point, not series 4 and 5. People often repeat that article but it's simply based on a misunderstanding.
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