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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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It doesn't bother me one bit - I have no problems for always online or this system. I'd be fine with Sony doing this as well - I prefer a digital distribution method but that's me, obviously many on this forum disagree but it doesn't impact my decision at all. I think all forms of entertainment are moving towards digital distribution and tighter control.
The cloud is already over the venue, my friend. I fear we may all be up shit creek without a paddle. Don't disappoint me, Sony.
The policies may not be the same for the EU. And if that will be the case, expect the console to be region locked. Absolutely no sharing of games with people across the pond.
It doesn't need to go down for 24hrs, even 30mins to an hour is enough. I often don't play my consoles for days, weeks, months at a time so everytime I would want to play a game I'd have to log in.
Looks like I'm never getting an Xbone. I don't have any brand loyalties and usually end up with ever console. I'm not buying a console that I can't guarantee that it will play games several years into the future.
This doesn't sound good for what is left of small video game stores. Gamestop probably already has a deal with Microsoft but the small game stores are screwed over unless the process to become a participating retailer isn't difficult. Though, this will kill Ebay or Amazon sellers.
This doesn't sound good for what is left of small video game stores. Gamestop probably already has a deal with Microsoft but the small game stores are screwed over unless the process to become a participating retailer isn't difficult. Though, this will kill Ebay or Amazon sellers.
Yes, I read that as any one as in the number 1 of my family can be playing at a given time. That's bullshit. Any one is significantly different from anyone.
True.
But I am sure that many Average Joes will be confused and shortly thereafter furious when they discover that they cannot "just give" a disk to somebody else. And that might hit MS even harder in the middle and long term.
Yes it is. There are also some other aspects, which may be conflicting with EU laws. Like Kinect being always on, for example (not sure if it will be though).
LowParry
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Millions and millions. For all we know there's fences being put in place with Gamestop as the "one stop shop for used games!". I just don't know anymore. I suspect we're going to see something similar with the PS4 in terms of used games. As Patrick Stewart puts it in Lords of Shadow, "these are dark times".
Considering I enjoy going back and playing old games, I knew the moment I heard rumblings of "no used games" and "always-online" that the policy was going to make me distant.
Because realize this: in 10 years every game you buy for that system will not be playable (assuming by then they have shutdown servers). While right now I can still take my NES out from 20+ years ago and put a game in to play.
This becomes worse when you look at it versus Steam. If my PC breaks, I get a new PC and re-install the games. My PC games will-- as long as Steam exists-- always be playable (as long as my PC is powerful enough), and since all PCs do is get better then the only worries is Valve going out of business.
When you look at it from the Xbox One, it's not guaranteed your games will continue to exist on their next system or even stay active on a server. Unless they- at the end of the cycle- decide to turn off the necessity to check in and eventually become like consoles we're used to- you're only temporarily giving them hundreds of dollars to play a game for a limited time.
And for that, I just can't agree to it...the possibility of an entire game being lost because of this policy and potential legal drama just boggles my mind.
Because realize this: in 10 years every game you buy for that system will not be playable (assuming by then they have shutdown servers). While right now I can still take my NES out from 20+ years ago and put a game in to play.
This becomes worse when you look at it versus Steam. If my PC breaks, I get a new PC and re-install the games. My PC games will-- as long as Steam exists-- always be playable (as long as my PC is powerful enough), and since all PCs do is get better then the only worries is Valve going out of business.
When you look at it from the Xbox One, it's not guaranteed your games will continue to exist on their next system or even stay active on a server. Unless they- at the end of the cycle- decide to turn off the necessity to check in and eventually become like consoles we're used to- you're only temporarily giving them hundreds of dollars to play a game for a limited time.
And for that, I just can't agree to it...the possibility of an entire game being lost because of this policy and potential legal drama just boggles my mind.
if you're lurking, Sess, take your time
DoomGyver
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"Banned"
Like moths to a flame.
SRTtoZ
Member
Indeed.
Do you know what's funny. For all the talk of a Steambox etc, this is actually pretty much MS attempting to make one but of course with their store/platform instead.
The problem is, with a Steambox, so long as it wasn't/isn't horribly locked down would be welcomed, as it would still have the advantages of PC. This is taking the bits of PC gaming we don't really like (DRM, license restrictions and online requirements) and probably not using the bits that sweeten the deal for us.
Steam gets away with a lot of crap because of the sales, and the fact that the platform is open enough to allow for competition, which keeps it on it's toes. Xbox One will have neither of these (Do you see a full catalogue sale every 6 months on Xbox One like on Steam, let alone weekly deals, daily deals and the twice weekly midweek/weekend deals? Didn't think so) so will have a much harder sell to those who use PC as a gaming platform.
For all of that, I'm not repulsed by Xbox One as a gaming platform, aside from the hilarious requirement for Kinect to be always connected (Seriously, MS can fuck off with that one and I hope the EU courts rule that an option for it to be switched off full is there) but the platform really doesn't excite me. Between a potentially high entry price, Xbox Live Gold fees, higher prices than PC, a lower power device than the competition and no advantages over PC with most of the downsides it's very hard for me to say I will be buying this anywhere near launch.
To address point 3 is where things actually get scary and where MS may think they have people over a barrel. Xbox Live now is a paid service for Xbox online components. As "the cloud" is basically an integral part of Xbox One, how will that work? The only way I can see is by locking out pretty much everything cloud related behind the XBL paywall, making the Xbox One basically a subscription only console.
Not only that, but the whole account based "trading" system is ripe to abuse that way too. Want to trade in games to these "selected retailers"? XBL Gold only need apply, after all, the systems will be revoking licenses from your account, so what's to stop MS from restricting it to those who pay the monthly fee? Nothing.
I hope I'm wrong here, but the obsession with account based DRM for Xbox One seems to me a precursor to announcing how Xbox Live will be "better" than before. Better for MS, sure, but meaning that most of the freedoms we have had with previous consoles can be locked away behind the paywall. I'm more scared about that, than anything else about the console really because it depends not on architecture now, but MS policy makers, and even if they don't go all in now, there's always "feature creep", where slowly the rights they give us now can easily be eroded over the life of the platform.
Planetside 2 uses the internet but Xbox One harnesses the untapped power of clouds.
You misspelled clowns
I need to read the thread now to catch up on the analysis and dicussion. But my first take:
Good move on MS not only getting this information out, but doing so ahead of E3, so this stuff does not distract from the show.
It's pretty clear from the used game section that they do not charge a fee yet, and reserve the right to insert a transfer fee into the process after it's launched and established. Which is exactly what Pachter predicted.
The requirement for every 24 hour game authentication is going to limit the audience for the Xbox One. It will be a major point of differentiation with the PS3, and MS has yet to spell out any benefits of the system. Sure hope that's coming at E3 or their pitch gets that much less compelling to those on the fence.
Good move on MS not only getting this information out, but doing so ahead of E3, so this stuff does not distract from the show.
It's pretty clear from the used game section that they do not charge a fee yet, and reserve the right to insert a transfer fee into the process after it's launched and established. Which is exactly what Pachter predicted.
The requirement for every 24 hour game authentication is going to limit the audience for the Xbox One. It will be a major point of differentiation with the PS3, and MS has yet to spell out any benefits of the system. Sure hope that's coming at E3 or their pitch gets that much less compelling to those on the fence.
yes but you can not play the same game at same time now unless you buy two... this is all to prevent people from buying one game and playing it at same time as it is now just able to do so without disk in tray and be able to play your library form any Xbox
For the first time, I can finally start seeing it as a very real possibility.
Knux-Future
Banned
I think Bish is making his list from this thread.
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Suburban_Nooblet
Banned
You know he is bro.
Well this has turned out as bad as expected, what was parroted after the unveiling event. Besides this bullshit, I can't help but think back to when gaming was simple. Put in your game and play. Now you have to accept ToS from devs, pubs, and console makers. You have to know what "rights" you have in your recent "license to use" purchase. You're not buying games anymore, just a license to use.
Unknown Soldier
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I really need to see all the family details. Mainly whether multiple people are allowed at once. Even still, this could easily be a loaning system between like four or five friends. There is pretty much no way to prove family members.
This thing sounds so easy to abuse for single player games. So easy.
This thing sounds so easy to abuse for single player games. So easy.
graywolf323
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it's an official FAQ on the official Xbox.com site? what clarity isn't there to be had?
IrishNinja
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just saw RyanReedy follow suit...this thread is already more entertaining than the reveal was
Relaxed Muscle
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Love the work Sessler and Sterling are doing lately. This should have all the game journalism press bitting MS asses hard. Kuchera is a disgrace for his profession.
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I can do all of the above right now, without any outside help thank you. Its not enough that we give them our hard earned money in exchange for a product, they want to hover over us and watch what we do with it, as if we were doing something wrong in the first place. I don't need to check in with anybody, nor do I need anyone's permisson because i bought the fucking game with my damn money, period.
Where I live law>eula - and the law in the EU states that you have a right to resell your goods (even licences - valve is taken to court for this atm).
Green Yoshi
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At least now I am really looking forward to the Nintendo Direct on Tuesday. 
If I want to play next gen games like Watch Dogs, Battlefield 4 or Thief 4 I can do that on my PC, too.
Probably they will even look much better and run smoother.
If I want to play next gen games like Watch Dogs, Battlefield 4 or Thief 4 I can do that on my PC, too.
Probably they will even look much better and run smoother.
I too agree with Stumps post but all the main advantages and benefits of a console seam to be lost on the Xbox One. No longer is this a simple hook up and play device what with an online requirement, licenses and a somewhat convoluted "sharing" system. It seams to be halfway between a traditional console and a digital platform and from the scant amount of information available sounds to be more of an obstruction than either the current/previous console model and the modern PC services.
How on earth would a download only console go down with consumers when that immediacy of pick up and play is gone? Why would they want to chose a console like this when they could have have the same service on PC, at a cheaper cost per game more than likely, unless there were some pretty desirable exclusives. The whole idea seams like a cop out. Microsoft should either stick to how things are now or just say fuck it were digital only and discs are worthless once registered. Even a compromise would be 2 systems that run side by side with one offering the traditional service of buy physical at higher costs but without the restrictions whilst the other is solely download only with no used games or trading but at a reduced cost to the consumer.
This is all going to end in tears. If the supposedly clued up enthusiast is unsure of Microsoft's policies how is the the consumer that doesn't soak up every bit of information going to find out, that the practices they have been used to with consoles since their inception, have suddenly changed. People will be buying and selling what is essentially games that might not work when this has been the standard case with console gaming since forever. People will only find out what has changed way after it's too late.
Wishmaster92
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TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Yep.
Holy fuck, Microsoft. I *really* hope you have the best E3 ever, since you'll need it to convince me to buy your next console.
I haven't gone through this massive thread, but any ideas why people are getting banned?
The ban count is getting crazy. How many now?
I haven't gone through this massive thread, but any ideas why people are getting banned?
TheUnknownForce
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My biggest concern is long-term. I can still play my games all the way from the Atari back to the current systems out, long after the companies have died out or moved on.
Xbox One won't allow that. In a decade, who knows if Microsoft will be authenticating games, and that will be a lost library, which I cannot see myself supporting.
Oh and the used game thing still exists to a degree bleh
Xbox One won't allow that. In a decade, who knows if Microsoft will be authenticating games, and that will be a lost library, which I cannot see myself supporting.
Oh and the used game thing still exists to a degree bleh
Alternatively, he can just read Stump's post.
MightyHedgehog
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Well, I have no proof whatsoever, but I do think that blaming MS is missing the wider industry who asks for and supports this thinking. This is a third party thing that assumes an increasingly digital-only future. With that in mind, you have to implement strict DRM to prevent abuse that will most assuredly occur the moment it's easily possible. MS wants to straddle the physical/digital divide, and this is what has to happen to accommodate that position. I would have left physical completely behind, but I'm not representative of the larger market.
tatotiburon
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if you think that Sony won't do the same thing....i only have one thing to say: keep dreaming
I think Kuchera is in the perfect place for someone with his amount of critical thinking skills: writing news for a webcomic.
Zok310
Banned
I hope Sony told them to piss off.
dragonelite
Member
So kinect can be completely shut down but not disconnected?
Was there an initial announcement vid?
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