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Phillip W. Spencer III:Starfield has now over 12m players since it's launch
Mr Hyde
Member
Never said the game would overthrow Sony and Nintendo. Never said it was a flop. You're just showing your own insecurities around Starfield. Stop projecting and above all, stop being a pathetic fanboy. You're fucking embarrassing in how you carry yourself here on GAF.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Remnant 2 dropped this week and it seems like a lot of people here tried it via game pass and really like it.
I'm not saying it is the be all and end all. I mean in terms of new MAU 1M is not great performance from their initial 10M.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You said back in October that Starfield was selling bonkers when that was a complete lie.
Now you're claiming it's doing very well for a new iP when that's not true. This game has a large development budget for a new IP and there's enough evidence that suggest is not doing very well.
I'll quote your previous comment from October.
You
Heisenberg007
In reply to Heisenberg
You had very high expectations for this game and now you moved the goalpost to, "It's selling well for a new IP."
Xbox fans get upset when people come into Starfield threads and this is the reason why people do it. Xbox fans were hyping this thing up as one of the greatest games ever.
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Klayzer
Member
Lol. Busted with a box of receipts.
Thirty7ven
Banned
There’s 25 million subscribers. The game is free money #girlmath for anyone subscribed, and out of 12 million about 3 million are not subscribers, so around 9 million even bothered to press the download for free button after all this time which is hilarious considering the hype cycle. The big silver bullet.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
2M isn't it.
aliadiere25
Member
It's new MAUs. Over 2 months so 1M. 2M new MAUs would have meant 14M.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
That's normal though, lots of people don't give two shits about an RPG. Remember in 2021 - 1 million playstation players played CoD exclusively, not even trying one other game.
twilo99
Member
That's exactly how I feel.. i just get way more entertainment and satisfaction out of multiplayer titles.
But, look at this person for example... outposts.. he is all about it lol he's like building cities in there, spreadsheets and all...
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Barakov
Member
The engagement of Starfield is massive, and growing
massive massive game
That's a lot of gamepass subscriptions.
Mibu no ookami
Member
I didn't believe in putting people on ignore but I reached a point where I finally broke on whether people were arguing in good faith or not or whether they were disturbed people in general.
Once I started putting people on ignore, my enjoyment of neogaf has more than doubled.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Oooh Weeee! Smh. Stop. Just stop talking right now.
Tell me you have NO CLUE what you're talking about without telling me you have NO CLUE what you're talking about. Damn...
demigod
Member
I like how he calls people out for laugh emojiing him when he does the same and then cries to the mods to get the other user’s laugh emoji ability to be removed.
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Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
That's exactly what you said. And don't worry how I conduct my posts on GaF. Stay in your lane. Talk about embarrassing: a keyboard GaF gangster trying to go hard on a gaming enthusiast forum. Please....
You dont like my posts, block me. Better yet, I got you, broski...
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Lieutenant Dan-Field.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, this is what surprised me the most.
I honestly thought that 20-25 million players would be a given in the first month, as in Game Pass has 25 million subscribers, 15-20 million people will at least try it, and the game will sell 5M+ copies in the 1st month.
Taur007
Member
Wonder how many people still playing spiderman or swung around for 6 hours an dropped the game? New people play games everyday, just cause it didn't stick to you doesn't mean it won't with others. Sony NEEDS those sales cause their game's replayability are the worse out of the big 3
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Even if someone dropped Spider-Man 2 after a couple of hours, it still means they bought the game for $70, ensuring the game's commercial success.
If someone drops Starfield after a couple of hours, after downloading it for free, how does it benefit Bethesda and Microsoft?
And for your answer, 75% of people have gotten to at least mission #15. And 20% have gotten the platinum trophy. So "players dropping" is not the problem.
GHG
Member
thismeinteil
Member
Not even half are reaching level 5? And ~27% didn't even bother to go into space. Oh boy.Hmmmmm...
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Fredrik
Member
Yeah that’s it, there is always something to do, and just wait until you start fiddling with spaceship building or outposts. For me it has been the main course this year, 200+ hours, everything else has been desserts.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I don't understand how this is that great? This is available at a single click on a subscription service that has around 30M subscribers at no extra cost...add to that everyone that bought the game and all you get is 12M people that downloaded it and pressed "Play" once?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It's not. They expected Starfield to sell 10 million copies just on the PS5.
To have 12 million "players" in total after 3 months is outright terrible.
MasterCornholio
Member
The big difference is.
Sony doesn't care about the game once you bought it. They already made their money from retail sales.
So what's the Issue with Spider-Man 2?
Anyways I'm sure any company would be happy with their games selling a lot of copies. It's just better for their bottom line if they successfully sell those games at 70$ per title.
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NinjaBoiX
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Even if someone dropped Spider-Man 2 after a couple of hours, it still means they bought the game for $70, ensuring the game's commercial success.
If someone drops Starfield after a couple of hours, after downloading it for free, how does it benefit Bethesda and Microsoft?
And for your answer, 75% of people have gotten to at least mission #15. And 20% have gotten the platinum trophy. So "players dropping" is not the problem.
Immaterial.
Starfield is a new ip. Not a derivative game. Far more exciting.
Bethesda is increasing its skill set with it.
They need to further improve it, but expected when your game is pioneering.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So exciting that more than 50% of people are dropping it without even reaching the constellation?
MasterCornholio
Member
Actually sales are still important whether you like it or not. I wouldn't call them immaterial.
vaibhavpisal
Member
So exciting that more than 50% of people are dropping it without even reaching the constellation?
Lot of people are wary of getting into big games like this.
Spiderman is easy 20 hrs platinum. Dunno why you are comparing the two.
Negotiator101
Member
Really?
vaibhavpisal
Member
Let developers decide what is successful for them. They know best the cost of development. You have to take their word for it.
TransTrender
Gold Member
Thanks, I remember seeing these numbers recently in a thread.Even if someone dropped Spider-Man 2 after a couple of hours, it still means they bought the game for $70, ensuring the game's commercial success.
If someone drops Starfield after a couple of hours, after downloading it for free, how does it benefit Bethesda and Microsoft?
And for your answer, 75% of people have gotten to at least mission #15. And 20% have gotten the platinum trophy. So "players dropping" is not the problem.
20% getting Platinum seems crazy high as well.
Red5
Member
It's a video game bruh, not world peace.
Mibu no ookami
Member
People continue to conflate B2P and Subscription.
It doesn't help that there are so many media surrogates for Microsoft out there.
Jim Ryan famously or infamously said that they wouldn't put their big AAA games as day 1 because it would be impossible for them to keep their budgets up. Selling million of copies of games at 70 dollars a pop is significantly more fruitful than short term engagement on a subscription service.
If I subscribed to PS+ for 1 month JUST for Spider-Man, I'd have canceled PS+ after 1 month. Even at the most expensive tier that would be 18 dollars (more than gamepass) rather than 70 million.
Microsoft's problem with is that based on these numbers it's highly unlikely that Starfield drove new subscribers or retained subscribers at an above average rate, particularly in relation to the high cost of development and advertising for the game.
And Bobby Kotick's comments about GamePass being value destructive were almost certainly true with what has to be the vast majority of players, playing it on GamePass rather than buying it on XBS or Steam.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Whether it is a new IP or not is largely immaterial.
New IP or not, it still took nearly a decade to develop and it'll be extremely difficult for Bethesda to slide this game into its rotation if it doesn't carry long term interest.
Consider that they'll want to make an Elder's Scrolls 6 and a Fallout 5. When do you think Starfield 2 will come out? Had the game been an absolute hit, they would have been able to expand the studio to accomodate enough resources to produce a 3rd title and probably even a Starfield Online game.
None of the results suggest that would be successful at this point and throwing the game on GamePass undercuts a great deal of the revenue you'd be getting essentially making it F2P. Balancing that and microtransactions for people who are indeed buying it for 20 dollars, would be tough.
In other words if the only people who would play it are the people who already have gamepass... you're only increasing the operating cost of gamepass.
Fredrik
Member
12m players isn’t worth a thread?
Congrats to MS and Bethesda!
Seriously, people joke about it not having legs or how few of the 12m that are still playing it.
But we’re 3 months after release now lol
How many single player games without any co-op or anything are people still playing after 3 months?
I’m done with most SP games after a week or two, sometimes less, record is a weekend. So when a game like this comes along giving me 200+ hours of entertainment for months and being structured to kinda be played forever it’s worthy of some praise.
Just hoping they’ll release the mod tools soon. They absolutely need to get that right. Should do a beta and let it evolve with input from the mod community.
GHG
Member
How does this logic apply to BG3 which is still lighting up the Steam charts?
Lunarorbit
Member
Hmmmmm...
I was gonna post the same thingEven if someone dropped Spider-Man 2 after a couple of hours, it still means they bought the game for $70, ensuring the game's commercial success.
If someone drops Starfield after a couple of hours, after downloading it for free, how does it benefit Bethesda and Microsoft?
And for your answer, 75% of people have gotten to at least mission #15. And 20% have gotten the platinum trophy. So "players dropping" is not the problem.
Heisenberg007
about Spidermans engagement vs Stanfield. It's not even close. Starfield is a giant disappointment for alot of Bethesda fans. It's not as colossal a failure as mass effect Andromeda was for EA but based on where the bar was set by fallout/elder scrolls it's a massive hit in the pr department.
I only got 5 hours into it and it's not for me. Don't really have any desire to go back to it either and neither do the majority of players according to the stats. This isn't going to have a no man's sky/cyberpunk revival if past Bethesda games are concerned; the majority of post launch content comes from modders doing it for free.
Ar¢tos
Member
The game was made with a budget expecting full price sales on 3 platforms and that changed last minute to remove one platform and to be given for "free" on the other 2.12m players isn’t worth a thread?
Congrats to MS and Bethesda!
Seriously, people joke about it not having legs or how few of the 12m that are still playing it.
But we’re 3 months after release now lol
How many single player games without any co-op or anything are people still playing after 3 months?
I’m done with most SP games after a week or two, sometimes less, record is a weekend. So when a game like this comes along giving me 200+ hours of entertainment for months and being structured to kinda be played forever it’s worthy of some praise.
Just hoping they’ll release the mod tools soon. They absolutely need to get that right. Should do a beta and let it evolve with input from the mod community.
No matter how many players it has, it will always be a commercial failure.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You overhyped it. You were bragging about it. If you do this then you better hope it lives up to the hype. If it doesn't, then you shouldn't be surprised if people are laughing about it later.
This is no different than basketball fans hyping up their team and then they end up losing in the playoffs. Live with the results.
Way I look at it is, Starfield is the game we all dreamed about as kids. Building your own spaceship and heading out into an unknown galaxy with almost endless possibilities. Space the final frontier, explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no one has gone beforeyeah Starfield has got this in the bag.
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MasterCornholio
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Selling games is always good for developers. It's never a bad thing.
Mind blowing isn't it?
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