SoloKingRobert
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Because Microsoft provided Development tools for Smart Delivery. It won't be a seperate SDK
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PS5 reportedly won’t have its own Xbox Smart Delivery alternative
Because Microsoft provided Development tools for Smart Delivery. It won't be a seperate SDK
Azurro
Banned
The console wars are indeed serious business. Every single silly marketing buzzword must be defended and elevated to make the puny rival consoles realize their inadequacy.
Peasant, look at Smart Delivery, and despair.
TLDR: it's a buzzword for cross gen support. Nice MS marketing.
Peasant, look at Smart Delivery, and despair.
TLDR: it's a buzzword for cross gen support. Nice MS marketing.
SaucyJack
Member
This is confirmed where?
PS5 and Xbox Series X set to get 'full-blown next-gen' Cyberpunk 2077 – but not at launch
An upgraded version of Cyberpunk 2077 will come at a later date
SaucyJack
Member
This feature is just a fucking patch, in a world of full backwards compatibility on both consoles. Jeez
sainraja
Member
I wish Sony had the foresight to advertise that feature last gen as Microsoft has been this generation. The main difference between how Sony did it last gen to how Microsoft is doing it this generation is cross save. I think that is the only thing we didn't have with cross buy on the PS4.
There weren't many retail games on the PS3 that were Sony first-party that were also released on the PS4. I think there was a technology factor there (e.g. The Last of Us, it was redone for the PS4.) Sony wasn't stopping third party publishers from providing cross buy - I think they (the third party publishers) just didn't outside of offer an upgrade option for a limited time. Microsoft is also leaving that to the developer though.
But cross buy is the EXACT same thing as Smart Delivery. When a PS3 game was made available on the PS4, we were not downloading the PS3 version of that game, it was the PS4 version. The only thing we are not sure of right now, is if Sony will continue cross buy or not.
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ManaByte
Member
This is confirmed where?
PS5 and Xbox Series X set to get 'full-blown next-gen' Cyberpunk 2077 – but not at launch
An upgraded version of Cyberpunk 2077 will come at a later datewww.techradar.com
Xbox Series X: Buy A Game Once and Play the Best Version Across Generations with Smart Delivery - Xbox Wire
Here at Xbox, we’re building the future of gaming by putting players first and ensuring that you are at the center and in control of your gaming experience. Whether you’re exploring an expansive library of Xbox Game Pass titles with more than 10 million of your fellow gamers or taking your...
news.xbox.com
OneShotThrill
Member
Yea and we still have EA that says fuck off...were not doing it.
https://screenrant.com/madden-21-xbox-series-x-no-smart-delivery-ea/
So once again..theres no guarantee. MS can encourage all they want but it seems to be a developer choice.
kuncol02
Banned
Potential reasons:
- Because it's easier on XSX than PS5
- Because people will buy it anyway on PS5
- Because MS nicely asked ($$$$$)
- Because all first party games in smart delivery create pressure on third party developers
sainraja
Member
Lol exactly.
IntentionalPun
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It's unlikely that a third party would do Smart Delivery on XSX and not do cross buy on PS5.
But I like the sound of MS's implementation of it from a software/SDK standpoint. Sounds like as a pub you just earmark your 2 SKUS as being 1 or something and the system takes care of the rest. Which yes is from the mid-gen refresh concept as well; but extending it into the next generation is cool.
But I like the sound of MS's implementation of it from a software/SDK standpoint. Sounds like as a pub you just earmark your 2 SKUS as being 1 or something and the system takes care of the rest. Which yes is from the mid-gen refresh concept as well; but extending it into the next generation is cool.
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ManaByte
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Again Cyberpunk 2077 is confirmed for smart delivery on XSX. No word on a PS5 upgrade.
SaucyJack
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Xbox Series X: Buy A Game Once and Play the Best Version Across Generations with Smart Delivery - Xbox Wire
Here at Xbox, we’re building the future of gaming by putting players first and ensuring that you are at the center and in control of your gaming experience. Whether you’re exploring an expansive library of Xbox Game Pass titles with more than 10 million of your fellow gamers or taking your...
Exactly what I've been saying.
"Upgraded" to the "Series X optimised version" = a patch.
If a developer is going to the effort of delivering a patch to one platform they'll certainly do it for both. Or like EA they won't do it at all.
This is much ado about nothing.
IntentionalPun
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I'm aware; I think it's unlikely they won't do cross buy on PS5.
Same with Ubisoft with their AC game coming out.
MS just has the marketing push to promote smart delivery; I seriously doubt these big pubs are going to be so generous on XBox and then ignore PlayStation.
ManaByte
Member
It's not a patch. That's just a convenient way to dismiss this without understanding what it is. The system determines what hardware you're running, and downloads that version of the software for it.
OneShotThrill
Member
Ok and we didn't hear anything yet. That's all that means. That games launch on next gen is still a while away. It dosent confirm that it won't be on Ps5 enhanced for free. COD Ghosts on PS3/PS4 had a free cross buy option upon release. Let's actually wait and see. We know MS has shouted out everything from the mountaintops since the beginning of this year. That dosent mean everything is exclusive to the platform.
sainraja
Member
Cross buy was targeted for vita owners above anything else since people werent buying vita games they had to be bundled in digitally for certain games. Most of the games sony did cross-buy for were for indie games heres the giant bomb list of cross buy games that were available for the ps3,vita and ps4. MS offering crossbuy for cyberpunk is leagues better then what sony offered by a mile if I wanted to play FFX on the ps4,ps3 and vita I would have to buy each version separately. FF7 OG on ps3/vita is the same thing along with MGS 1,2,3 and PW and almost every RE 1-6 + spin offs.
Cross Buy Games - Giant Bomb
Sony's official initiative of bundling multiple PlayStation versions of a game into a single purchase/package.www.giantbomb.com
While that is true, you also have to consider the difference in technology between the PS3 & PS4. They may not have offered that but who is to say they wouldn't have, if they could have? But yes, Microsoft does deserve credit for pushing this as much as they are. Hopefully it will become the norm.
IntentionalPun
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Nah games like COD were $10 to upgrade from PS3 to PS4 (or 360 to XBO.)
And that was only digital.
Cross buy existed in previous gens; it's just never been as easy as MS is making it particularly for disk based purchases (extending their system for XBO to XBX upgrades) and never as heavily promoted for big 3rd party games for free.
Sony fanboys sure are having a fit over it though.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I'd rather have them pushing for it over remaining completely silent on it.
SaucyJack
Member
ZywyPL
Banned
Imagine CoD with all of its tens of GB patches. AND those patches again with PS5-quality assets on top of it. Especially on a drive that leaves you ~750GB to use. There's you answer.
With the size of current-gen titles that can reach a whopping 100-150GB, supposedly because of duplicated date, you ideally DON't want to store those low-quality, duplicated PS4 data on next-gen system, I mean, why would you, if they will never be used anyway?
While Smart Delivery from what I understand is a system/feature, that will install only the assets the particular console will actually use, so no XB1 assets on XBX, and vice versa. We actually got a glimpse how it works with 1S and 1X, where the 1S versions didn't contain 4K assets, saving HDD space.
To me it seems that Sony wants to completely cut away from current generation ASAP, but they cannot make themselves look like assholes because of MS ongoing support for current-gen during XB1->XBX transition and the following year or so, so they are like "yeah, it's possible, but it's up to the devs/publishers", cutting out any responsibility if the consumers get screwed, it will be "it was them, not us". I'm actually curious now it their own games will receive any additional PS5 treatment.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Pretty much. Microsoft took BC seriously and now it’s paying off and the more complete solution.
IntentionalPun
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Smart Delivery and BC aren't really the same thing.
Smart Delivery would be for XBX native games; akin to PS5 native mode. If a game is written for PS5 native mode, it isn't BC... it's a PS5 game.
BC on XSX will utilize the virtualization layer to inject improvements in games, not create a compiled version of said game for the XSX processor / GPU (well, all still virtualized, but it's a different target platform.) Smart Delivery will automatically download the XSX native version of a game.
We don't know Sony's BC patching details; we don't know if patched games can utilize native mode or if it's only for legacy modes on PS5.. if they can.. then well.. PS5 basically gets smart delivery and this quote/translation from Sony isn't accurate.
Smart Delivery would be for XBX native games; akin to PS5 native mode. If a game is written for PS5 native mode, it isn't BC... it's a PS5 game.
BC on XSX will utilize the virtualization layer to inject improvements in games, not create a compiled version of said game for the XSX processor / GPU (well, all still virtualized, but it's a different target platform.) Smart Delivery will automatically download the XSX native version of a game.
We don't know Sony's BC patching details; we don't know if patched games can utilize native mode or if it's only for legacy modes on PS5.. if they can.. then well.. PS5 basically gets smart delivery and this quote/translation from Sony isn't accurate.
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The Hamburglar
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You’re living in the power of the cloud of you think that will be the reality.
OneShotThrill
Member
Amen. Nothing but truth. This is why competition is good.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's almost as if Sony did not talk about 'piecemeal installs' on several occasions for this very situation, not just at the GDC talk, but in the Wired articles before this. They also talked about duplicate assets and the like that are on current gen mechanical's that add all that bloat, which can be eliminated/culled by the SDK automatically doing the work for the devs.
You are making grandeur about what both will be doing. Stop acting like people are are stupid and have not been following everything up to this point.
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OneShotThrill
Member
Nah it was free upgrade for a short limited time..then they said fuck it lol. But I agree..the fanboys can cry all they want but Sony should step up if MS actually gets devs to start jumping on this en masse. We're just going to have to see.
IntentionalPun
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Huh? It's not like this is all that complicated for MS. It's a pretty basic system in the end.
It's marketing + a flag in their system that a game supports it and thus the DRM to unlock a game works on 2 systems instead of one pretty much.
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IntentionalPun
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Any evidence of that? The entire internet thinks it was $10.. from their original press release on the topic, to the articles about the deal ending a year later.. tried searching for it for free and all you get back are the $10 articles:
thismeinteil
Member
Let's be honest here, just like B/C, they are only working the people that were going to buy Xbox over PS no matter what. Any educated gamer knows Sony popularized this starting with PS3. I guess Xbox fanboys think Sony needs to throw a fancy Cross Buy on the box or game page on PSN for PS5 to have any chance. Boy, are they in for a rude awakening.
Really, they would praise MS for being the "first" to offer Play For Free (P4FTM ) online games, no Gold membership required! Or controllers with Internal ReserveTM, no more batteries needed!
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ManaByte
Member
It was $10. Claiming it was free is revisionist history, which is so hot right now.
SaucyJack
Member
OK, that's an interesting different angle, focusing on the technicalities of the install, but I'm not convinced that's it's really a differentiator. Sony have already talked about exactly this, installs, patches, file sizes, etc. Cerny covered it in the Road to PS5.
I have to add, because it might not seem it, but I am very positive about this change for next gen. It's head and shoulder above current gen as an approach, it's just that I don't believe that there will ultimately be a meaningful real world difference between PS and XB on this,
ethomaz
Banned
That is no different from a patch.
And from what I understood the enhanced patch for Cyberpunk will come late after the launch of the game because CDPR still need to work on it.
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ZywyPL
Banned
IMO it would be a very welcome change if current-gen games installed on PS5/XBX took significantly less space due to lack of duplicated assets, that alone would be amazing, but can it really be done? PC has SSDs since last decade or so, but the games still don't take that into any consideration, we can choose whether we want to download 32 or 64-bit apps, but not whether we want HDD or SSD versions. Maybe, hopefully, the upcoming consoles will change that.
IntentionalPun
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It's the next gen version of the game; that's not a patch.
Not that a "patch" is even insulting as you are intending; you are just wrong. A game can be "patched" and be entirely different pre-patch or a game can have a different compiled version and be roughly the same.
How different the next-gen version of a cross-gen game is, will depend on the developer.
OneShotThrill
Member
That was my mistake....it wasn't Call of Duty Ghosts...it was Advanced Warfare. I stand corrected
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
It's a patch. This will become evident when you're playing an Xbox One game on your Xbox Series X, and then when "Smart Delivery" comes, you're going to download an update and not a new game
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IntentionalPun
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It's likely to be an EXE compiled to a different target platform. That's not a patch.
And did you read my post? Whether it's a patch or a different version has nothing to do with how different the games are going to be. You can "patch" a game to be entirely different than it was pre-patch or compile a different version of a game and have it be the same.
If you really think companies like CDPR aren't putting any effort into their PS5/XSX versions of their games they likely will be selling DLC on for years to come I don't know what to tell you. They are a dev that have been taking advantage of high end GPUs/CPUs for years on PC... their next-gen version of their game is likely to be a graphics showpiece with ray tracing and all the bells and whistles.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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So how is that any different to Xbox One to X patches and PS4 to Pro patches then?
Do you mean seperate EXE? it's not going to be a separate EXE
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That is not true. You could upgrade ($10) blu ray version too. You downloaded the full PS4 game and the disk was used like check validation. Other games such as FF XIV was free for upgrade
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IntentionalPun
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Those aren't really patches either from a technical standpoint. They actually do in fact download a totally different targeted EXE because there are instruction sets not supported on the XBO.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
They are basically patches from a technical standpoint
No they won't. You don't even need a seperate EXE when swapping from Vulkan to DX12 on PC, so why would you need one in this instance?
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IntentionalPun
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Ah you are right; after a while it was digital only as they stopped including the codes in the box but the upgrade program continued digitally (I just googled.)
OneShotThrill
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Relax It was my mistake I was thinking of Advanced Warfighter https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.p...-warfare-available-for-ps3-ps4-cross-buy/amp/
IntentionalPun
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I mistook a screenshot earlier in the thread for being for a compiled EXE but looks like it was an asset package. Although that is also quite possibly a different exe, it doesn't explicitly state that.
Either way there's little chance it's a "patch"; they aren't building one version and then a patch.. they'd be working off 2 different codebases, or at best a forked codebase.
None of this means anything either way.. as a patch can be extensive.. and 2 different versions can be barley different.. so lets end the pointless side discussion lol
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ethomaz
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There is no next-gen version at launch lol
IntentionalPun
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What are you talking about?
ethomaz
Banned
Cyberpunk 2077.
The game in the links from the quote I did.
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kuncol02
Banned
I wouldn't be surprised if that's because some licensing shit. We will see what they will do with other games.
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